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« on: December 01, 2007, 09:18:57 pm »

Salaam Alaikum .. sisters, brothers and friends
 
Unfortunately some facts of history have been downplayed, distorted or concealed altogether for a long time.  It might be worthwhile devoting a little time and exposing some of those scraps and bits.   
 
Using history as an eyewash
The Zionists and their supporters cling to the propaganda that the Jews are the indigenous people of "Judea and Samaria", that this region was given to them by the Divine Power thousands of years ago.  They claim that Judea / Samaria were re-named 'Palestine' by the Arabs who came here later.  With such a preposterous story, the Zionists lie about God and they lie about history.  To unravel this glittering falsehood, let's take a closer look at the episode. 
 
Contradiction!
But first, the mind boggling issue concerning the contradictory values of the West.  This contradiction is the official reason and the cornerstone for the creation of Israel.  The Jews zealously assert that they didn't snatch Palestine but "God gave it to them" and it is their "God given right" to return to the Holy Land.  The West, on the other hand, proudly brags to have embraced the doctrine of separation of  state & politics from religion.  Yet the very creation of Israel is officially based and strengthened on religious grounds, refuting the much talked about ideology of separation of state and religion.  It reminds me of what Seymour Hersh once expressed, that there's no such thing as a rule of law or uniformity of a justice system in the human culture.  It's all about strength and priorities.  If you are strong, you make your priorities and that becomes your right & monopoly.  Besides, this also explains what politics isn't.  One doesn't learn politics by studying political science.  That's because there's no science in dirty politics and no 'political scientist' has ever been a successful politician.
 
Returning to history ..
 
What's Judea and Samaria?
As per the historical narrations of the Bible, Samaria is the biblical name for the area now referred to as the northern West Bank, while Judea is the biblical name for the southern territory with its capital as Jerusalem.  Thus, both Judea and Samaria refer to the West Bank.  These ancient titles are now purposely being revived and utilized by the Zionists to justify their grip on the West Bank on religious grounds.  According to history, after the united rule of Kings David and Solomon, these two united kingdoms of Israel (now West Bank) split into two independent kingdoms that occasionally went to war with each other.  Judea, also known as the Kingdom of Judah, was a monarchy, inclusive only of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin over which the House of David enjoyed an unbroken primacy till the Fall of Jerusalem. After Jerusalem fell, the southern kingdom of Judea continued being ruled by the kings of Judah while northern Samaria came under the rule of the Israelite kings in the north.  To get an idea of these ancient geographical divisions, click the link below and scroll down a little to see the map. 

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/samaria.html
 
Zionist nonsense about Palestine being the same as Jordan
The ludicrous propaganda circulated by the state of Isreal is that there's no such place as 'Palestine,'  there's no such language as 'Palestinian,'  that Palestine is the same as the land of Jordan and it's a part of Jordan.  Well, perhaps the Zionist mafia shouldn't go to this extent to insult the intelligence readers!  The question that would arise in anyone's mind is: How did Palestine, the ancient land of that region with its ancient name 'Land of the Philistines' suddenly vanish and become a part of Jordan?   The impertinent and silly answer provided by the 'Israel Science' website is as follows:
 
"In 1917 Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine."
 
Mark the staggering words!  The Zionists state that in accordance with the Balfour Declaration the "national home for the Jewish people" was established in "Palestine."  In 1922, Britain gave away 80% of Palestine to Transjordan (now Jordan).  That's straight from the horse's mouth.  It was the imperialistic guile of a colonial power, its pressure, strength and force that subjugated a weak and helpless little country into being partitioned and ethnically cleansed of its Arab population to make room for the incoming Jews.  Hence, Palestine was never the same as Transjordan or Jordan.  This was simply a dirty game played as recently as the early 20th century.  Not to mention, Transjordan itself was a young and puppet state, a brainchild of the Brits. 
 
Looking at certain other aspects ..
 
Truth about the Philistines and its Zionist cover-up
The Land of the Philistines later came to be known as Palestine.  The Zionist history acknowledges that the territory at present called Gaza and its surrounding areas were known as Land of the Philistines or Philistia.  The inhabitants of this place were known as Philistines.  Philistines were the indigenous people of Philistia.  But modern day scholars, in order to appease the Zionist stragegy and cater to their needs, have constructed a myth that according to archaeology, the Philistines (the "sea people in their terms) came from and around Greece sometime in 1100 BC.  If you look for information through the online search engines on the history of the Philistines, you'll find much to misguide your mind about their origin on the basis of the so-called archaeological findings.  The goal of majority of the Western historians on the issue of Philistia is to convince every generation that the Philistines wandered into the Holy Land from far away places while only the Semites were the indigenous inhabitants of this region.  With this sort of motivated, untruthful and mischievous analysis, hardly any land in the world would consist of indigenous inhabitants.   Not to mention, even if the inhabitants of Phlistine did come from Greece during pre-historic times, more than a million years ago, that's totally insignificant.  The fact remains that the Philistines lived in the region now called Palestine since thousands of years, much before the immigration of the Hebrew tribe from Egypt. 
 
But certain queries remain unanswered by these so-called 'expert' archaeologists / historians.  It's weird to note that they always seem to pick a convenient starting point for history whereas a genuine fact-finding mission would suggest that history must be taken in its entirety or none.  Thus, if history should at all be taken into account and politicized to justify the creation of the Zionist state, one needs to start from the beginning.  Wikipedia (the online Encyclopedia) claims that the Philistines came to the Gaza area by sea from places in and around Greece during the reign of the Pharoah, Ramesses III, in 1180 BC.  Similarly, biblical and other Christian / Jewish sources cite that the Jewish exodus from Egypt to the Holy Land happened around 1440 BC.  From this perspective, the Jews too are not the indigenous inhabitants of the Holy Land.  To erase this embarassment, the most recent tactic that's being constructed is the culture of denial of the Exodus.  Hence, as the lies pile up, the episode continues to get more messy!  In the 1940s and earlier, the Zionist state was created on the basis of the biblical narrations, and now many of those very narrations have become a source of obstruction that don't quite support their political lies and have to be concealed or altered.  Denial of the Exodus is cleverly tailored to justify the creation of modern day Israel on the basis of this ancient history. 

There are presently two versions of the denial.  The first one simply states that the Exodus is doubtful  because there's not enough archaeological evidence that the Hebrews ever lived and worked in Egypt.  But no one has ever bothered to explain what sort of archaeological evidence can be foolproof or even available to confirm the mere existence of a set of common slaves in a land 3,000 years ago.  The second version is that the Hebrews actually lived in Cannan (present day Gaza) where, 'once upon a time' a famine broke out so they migrated to Egypt.  Their number grew very large which cautioned the ruler of Egypt (pharoah), thinking that the Hebrews might become too powerful.  So, he enslaved all of them. Take note of this .. according to constructed history, 'Cannan' is supposed to be the former name of Gaza more than a thousand years before it was well known as Philistia.  And quite conveniently these historians / archaeologists have been silent about any archaeological evidence of the Israelite Hebrews ever living in 'Cannan.'
 
And now, a vital fact that cannot to be ignored -  all narrations in the Old and New Testaments have been altered by human hands for the purpose of convenience and aren't Divine any longer.  There's no historical record nor information of the era uptil which the originality of these Divine Scriptures were maintained.  We only know for sure that the Torah and the Gospel were altered after a very brief period of their revelations.  Therefore, man-written narrations masquerading as Divine Law to give leverage for establishing a state, spells out the grim fact that the very foundation of the Zionist state is based on lies and fabrications. 
 
Needless to say, the only Divine Scripture that's still totally original is the Noble Quraan alone.  And the Quraan confirms the Exodus.
 
Returning to the topic, the falsehood about the denial of the Exodus is still in its infancy.  It might take sometime for it to become 'official' and the Hebrew Bible and the Gospel to be revised accordingly yet again to accommodate this new lie.  So, until then .. on the basis of the Exodus let's focus on another question.  When the Jews (Hebrews slaves) left Egypt for the promised land with Prophet Moses (pbuh), who were the inhabitants already living on this land prior to the Exodus?  Obviously not the Hebrews .. yet surely the land must have been inhabited by some community that was logically (and thus ethnically) more indigenous than the Hebrews.  Who were they, and why are the history books so silent about them?
 
Moreover, no one has highlighted the source of the culture of ethnic cleansing in the Holy Land by the Zionist mafia who ruthlessly expelled its indigenous Arab population, a process that began in the 1940s and is rampant to date.  Was this also a commandment in the altered Torah and the Gospel? 

Also, using the Hebrew language to support a lie
Most Jewish and orthodox Christian writers insist that the Hebrew language originated in Canaan (present day Gaza).  The hidden motive is again to assert that the Jews originally belonged to present day Gaza and not Egypt.  However, the simple and absolute fact is that the two Semitic languages, Hebrew and Aramaic (a mixture of Arabic and Hebrew) were widely spoken during the Christian and pre-Christian eras throughout the region covering Northern Middle-East, not just in Canaan.  These languages were spoken along North Africa, all over the present day Holy Land including Lebanon and Syria, and across Babylon (present day Iraq and Kuwait) in the south.  So, even if the Hebrew language did originate in Canaan, that's irrelevant and NO proof of the Jews belonging to Canaan.
 
Bizarre claim, unethical foundation
Some more reliable historical data tells us that the Jews began living in the Holy Land after the Exodus.  They continued to do so for long, and at the same time also began dispersing to different regions in search of a better life.  During the advent of Islam, the population of the Arabian peninsula consisted of a big chunk of Jews who were actually considered the elites of Arabia in the pre-Islamic era.  Similarly there were Jewish communities all over Northern Middle-East, North Africa, Spain, Italy and Greece.  The Jewish migrations to distant lands increased with time and eventually they began arriving in various parts of Western Europe.  They loved to be in control of financial issues wherever they went.  It was only when anti-semitism in the West reached alarming proportions in the early to mid 20th century that many minds began wondering, thinking of ways & means of relocating the Jews elsewhere from the West.  That's when Palestine was broken up, the indigenous people of Palestine, now known as the Arabs whose ancesters were living there for centuries well before the arrival of the Hebrews were thrown out by the Zionist mafia or killed if they refused to go.  The larger segment of Palestine was named "Israel" with 'tearful' memories of a 3,000-year-old history!  Analogically, this is much the same as deciding to sell one's property, immigrate abroad, spend the money and then come back, asking for the return of that property free of cost.  As obnoxious as that !!  No country in this planet has been founded on such outrageous and fallacious claims, both morally and legally.
 
Hidden truth - convenience not love
The Jews were sent to Palestine by the Western powers NOT because they cared for the Jews.  We all know that to be a joke.  Rather, it was because the West was (and is) very well aware that the Semites have always been a common nuisance for one reason or another.  They did not want these Semites loitering in their respective territories.  Therefore, they conveniently pushed the nuisances over to the poor Palis.
 
Irony of this tragic story
It's truly ironic to see that soon after WWII the axe fell on a Muslim community to compromise for the suffering of the Jews when throughout history it was the Christians who were hell-bent upon annihilating the Jews.  The Holocaust in the mid 20th century and the horrific Spanish Inquisition in the mid 15th century are two eye-catching examples.  There are many more.  One only needs to be an avid reader of history, without misinterpretations and with a good memory to discern the stupendous lies fed to the world in support of the Zionist state.
 
Thanks for your time and attention.

Allah bless


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For more important information as per the Glorious Quraan, please refer to our earlier posts titled 'The term "Israel" in the Noble Quraan' and 'Course of Bani Israel'
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2007, 02:34:35 am »

Thank u sis.  This very articulately written piece has helped me to follow the political stunt still better.  I'm sure everyone knows full well (even those who prefer not to speak about it) that jews were never the indigenous people of the Holy land.  But that's really not the point.  Even if they were as such, some 3000 odd years ago which they are falsely trying to assert, does not give them the entitlement to revive that ancient memory now.  (lol) I liked the comparison you stated about selling one's property and returning home out of the blue demanding everything back free of cost.  If the jews can claim back their ancestral home on this ground, why not others?  Everyone from North America, Australia and New Zealand shoud go back to wherever they came from and allow only the aboriginal natives to live in these places. 

It looks that the zionists can't even figure out a professional lie to get their way.  Not that they need a professional lie.  No one's supposed to question them anyway?

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 06:00:36 am »

Excellent work sis!  wonderfully and comprehensively written.



Using history as an eyewash
The Zionists and their supporters cling to the propaganda that the Jews are the indigenous people of "Judea and Samaria",  ...  With such a preposterous story, the Zionists lie about God and they lie about history.   

They've been doin that for 3000 plus years.

Contradiction!
But first, the mind boggling issue concerning the contradictory values of the West.  This contradiction is the official reason and the cornerstone for the creation of Israel.  The Jews zealously assert that they didn't snatch Palestine but "God gave it to them" and it is their "God given right" to return to the Holy Land.  The West, on the other hand, proudly brags to have embraced the doctrine of separation of  state & politics from religion.  Yet the very creation of Israel is officially based and strengthened on religious grounds, refuting the much talked about ideology of separation of state and religion.  It reminds me of what Seymour Hersh once expressed, that there's no such thing as a rule of law or uniformity of a justice system in the human culture.  It's all about strength and priorities. 

Oh so true! 


"In 1917 Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine."

Only a lot as shameless as the Jews can talk about the Balfour Declaration with as much pride as they do.  The Balfour Declaration is one of the most notorious symbols of imperialistic tyranny in history.  Creation of Transjordan was only a part of this scheme to keep one of their Arab spies permanently stationed in that region.  The plan has been successful uptil present.  During the 30 years of rule of Abdullah the first, then 47 years of his grandson Hussein (the womaniser) and now Hussein's son, Abdullah II (the nincompoop) have all been faithful servants of the CIA.  It's more than just funny to read about Abdullah the first as the "founder of the Hashmite Kingdom."  They've made a false tree of their little known family by linking it to the Prophet's family when the truth is that the Jordanian 'royal' family can only be linked with the American and British rulers.  By the way, Hussein's father, who's conveniently never mentioned in history has 2 stories about him.  He was said to have been mentally ill suffering from schizophrenia and was thus forced to abdicate.  Others say that he was totally against the British interference in Arab politics so the British needed to get rid of him by replacing him with someone more friendly.  They found his very young son, Hussein, more suitable to be a puppet so they brought him on the throne despite his very young age of 18.  The latter story sounds far more authentic.

 
Wikipedia (the online Encyclopedia) claims that the Philistines came to the Gaza area by sea from places in and around Greece during the reign of the Pharoah, Ramesses III, in 1180 BC.  Similarly, biblical and other Christian / Jewish sources cite that the Jewish exodus from Egypt to the Holy Land happened around 1440 BC. 

Please beware, all such dates have been carefully calculated and entered in history to make the jews appear as older inhabitants of that region than the Philistines or anyone else.

Actually the true happening of the Exodus was first used by the Zionists to curry sympathy from around the world by showing that they had been victims since early history.  Later, when they became obsessed with the lie of showing themselves as indigenous residents of the Holy Land, they felt it necessary to reject the exodus.


When the Jews (Hebrews slaves) left Egypt for the promised land with Prophet Moses (pbuh), who were the inhabitants already living on this land prior to the Exodus?  Obviously not the Hebrews .. yet surely the land must have been inhabited by some community that was logically (and thus ethnically) more indigenous that the Hebrews.  Who were they, and why are the history books so silent about them?

Excellent point.  Well, the only way for them to answer it is to remove the Exodus.

Moreover, I agree totally with that very rational point raised by br. PT that even if the jews were indigenous to the soil of the Holy Land more than 3000 years in the past, how can that be used now to assert their claim?

 
Moreover, no one has highlighted the source of the culture of ethnic cleansing in the Holy Land by the Zionist mafia who ruthlessly expelled its indigenous Arab population, a process that began in the 1940s and is rife to date.  Was this also a commandment in the altered Torah and the Gospel? 

The zionists and their honeymooners might well bring this into the scriptures to radicalise their future generations. 
 
Also, using the Hebrew language to support a lie
 the simple and absolute fact is that the two Semitic languages, Hebrew and Aramaic were widely spoken during the Christian and pre-Christian eras throughout the region covering Northern Middle-East, not just in Canaan.  These languages were spoken along North Africa, all over the present day Holy Land including Lebanon and Syria, and across Babylon (present day Iraq and Kuwait) in the south.  So, even if the Hebrew language did originate in Canaan, that's irrelevant and NO proof of the Jews belonging to Canaan.

Another well reserached point.  Hebrew is not a language synonymous with the jews.  It was a regional language spoken by a large geographical section, not just a single race.
 

Hidden truth - convenience not love
They did not want these Semites loitering in their respective territories.  Therefore, they conveniently pushed the nuisances over to the poor Palis.

Precisely!


Irony of this tragic story
throughout history it was the Christians who were hell-bent upon annihilating the Jews.  The Holocaust in the mid 20th century and the horrific Spanish Inquisition in the mid 15th century are two eye-catching examples.  There are many more.  One only needs to be an avid reader of history, without misinterpretations and with a good memory to discern the stupendous lies fed to the world in support of the Zionist state.

I can only agree with u sis zeyn.  The very center of Jewish worship is a stark reminder of destruction by non-Muslim forces - the Romans, of course.  The Jews being clever opportunists as they always were, schemed against the Romans in private but collaborated with them in public.  Their center of political intrigues against the Romans was the 2nd temple mount.  Finally when the Romans ran out of patience, their response was brutal.  They stormed into the temple destroying it completely.  Only a wall on the western side of it was spared over which the Jews cry and mourn as a part of their worship uptil today.  Accordingly it gets the name of the 'wailing wall.'  Prior to this (an incident with a very different reason), it is reported in history that Jesus, son of Mary (peace on them both), was very upset over the unethical practices that went on inside the 2nd temple mount by the Jews .... mainly the oppressive tactics of the money-lenders with the poor people.  Jesus is reported to have walked angrily inside the temple and over-turned their money jars. 

A brief history of destruction of the second temple mount from one of the more candid websites:

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The Wailing Wall (also known as the Western Wall) is all that is left of the second Jewish Temple Mount when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans nearly two thousand years ago.  The term 'wailing wall' refers to Jews who come to the site to wail and mourn the destruction of the  temple. 

1) The First Temple of Jerusalem was conceived by King David and constructed by King Solomon around 950 BCE as a center of a Jewish religious life.  This Temple was destroyed by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar around 587/6 BCE.

2) The Second Temple was the Temple rebuilt by Jews returning from the Babylon Exile in 517 BCE. It was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. 

The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was a decisive event in the Jewish-Roman War, followed by the fall of Masada in 73. The Roman army besieged and conquered the city of Jerusalem, which had been occupied by its Jewish defenders who began the Jewish revolt in 66. The city and its famous Temple were completely destroyed.  The destruction of the Temple is still mourned by the Jews. 

In 66 AD, the Jewish population rebelled against the Roman Empire. Four years later, in 70 AD, Roman legions under Titus reconquered and subsequently destroyed much of Jerusalem and the Second Temple. The arch of Titus, located in Rome and built to commemorate Titus's victory in Judea, depicts Roman soldiers carrying off the menorah (candelabrum with candles that is displayed in Jewish synagogues) from the Jewish Temple.

3) Since the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, religious Jews have prayed for the building of a Third Temple. This prayer has been a traditional part of the Jewish prayer service.. Though it remains unbuilt and the plan unrealised, the notion of and desire for a Third Temple is sacred in Judaism. Nothing more than a traditional belief. 

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2007, 03:39:46 am »

sister, brother, many thanks for liking my work.  your intelligent comments were interesting and helpful.  Lets keep praying to Allah that this injustice somehow ends sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 10:06:45 pm »

BTW ,, beware while looking for ancient maps of the Holy Land thru online search engines.  Massive bungling is being done by Zionist and their supporters to distort maps every year in order justify the creation of the Jewish state thru altered and tampered maps.  Zionists often say "maps don't lie" but remain quiet over the fact that those hands which have been creating these maps since the last 60 years LIE big time!
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 10:15:21 pm »

Very informative.  don't know how I missed this post for so long.  May Allah reward u for your efforts.  The research for such information must have been tough as these are just the kind of stuff not found in Google and modern libraries.  The logic here is very realistic, and this is what I would call 'truth.'

I'm eager to acquire a bit more info regarding a question that keeps comin up in online discussions.   How did the term 'jew' come to existence? 
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 11:23:04 pm »

Salaam sister Ruhi.  I'm glad u found this info helpful.  Unfortunately yes, it's difficult to find clear and realistic arguments like these in most websites and libraries.

Coming to your query on the origin of the term "Jew" .. this is another field where we have to keep dodging the lies that are hurled at us whenever we're out on a truth-seeking mission.  If u put this question to a common Westerner, his or her patent response will be "Israel is the country , jew is the race and hebrew is the script and language."  But this is the doctored definition to defend Zionism.  Truthfully and historically, this statement is RUBBISH!   For the real origin of the term 'jew' one has to trace their history back to Egypt.  Israel was NOT a country ever, it was a big tribe consisting of these Hebrews living in Egypt and working as slaves of the Pharoahs.  Their language was called 'Hebrew' but most importantly, their ethnicity was known as "Hebrew" race  This entire big tribe of Israel was also divided into  clans.  One of these clans was called Judah.  When the tribe of Israel (referred in the Noble Quran as "children of Israel") left Egypt with Prophet Moses (pbuh) and went to the land of the Philistines (now called Palestine), these different Israeli clans gradually disintegrated and set up their own kingdoms scattered across this land.  There was a lot of infighting (as is common with the Hebrew race) and the history is complicated.  Also, the history has been perpetually tampered and changed by Bible writers, so it's impossible to get the correct account.  Only and only Allah would know the real truth about the disintegration of the Bani Israel.  I have simply given a very brief and basic historical outline in my original post here.  According to biblical history, Judah was one of the off-shoots of the tribe of Israel that set up its kingdom in the former Philistine region and that portion of the map came to be known as Judea.  The kingdom of Judah was about the biggest and most powerful.  The term 'jew' was derived from Judah.  The tribe of Israel had also set up its kingdom in this region.  Nowadays the lineage of these various clans of the tribe of Israel is lost and no one makes a distinction between Jew & Israeli.  But the modern bible writers themselves acknowledge that back in those early days while it would be correct to say that all Jews were Israelis, all Israelis were not Jews because the tribe of Israel had other clans too.   

Thus, the important issues to remember are: 
- Israel was the tribe,
- Judah was the clan and its people were called Jews,
- and Hebrew was the race and language of the tribe of Israel.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 11:32:45 pm »


Thus, the important issues to remember are: 
- Israel was the tribe,
- Judah was the clan and its people were called Jews,
- and Hebrew was the race and language of the tribe of Israel.


Yes! exactly.  And I have also observed in the various accounts of the changed Torah / Gospel stories that all those Israeli kingdoms set up in the land of the Philistines refrained from using the term "hebrew" to define their race or ethnicity.  The word "hebrew" was retained only for defining their language.  Apparently they considered it derogatory to call themselves "hebrews" because it was a stark reminder of their dog days, slogging in the filth as Pharoah's slaves.   Grin
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 11:42:53 pm »

Apparently they considered it derogatory to call themselves "hebrews" because it was a stark reminder of their dog days, slogging in the filth as Pharoah's slaves.   Grin

lol .. good point.  The zionists at present try to establish their rule in the Holy Land by constantly quoting false stories of Palestine being their land .  But I say, if they are really interested in tracing the past, then let's get down to history and start from the beginning.  There's no doubt about the fact that the earliest historical evidence about these people who are today known as Zionists or Jews goes back to Egypt when they survived as Hebrew slaves at the beck & call of the Pharoahs.  So, if they are interested in getting back what belonged to them in history without dispute, they ought to go back to Egypt and live their as the third class citizens they used to be and serve the people of Egypt. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2010, 02:15:46 am »

Maash'Allah, very insightful points. 


But the modern bible writers themselves acknowledge that back in those early days while it would be correct to say that all Jews were Israelis, all Israelis were not Jews because the tribe of Israel had other clans too.   
 

yes, I agree with this.  and .... all Hebrews are Israelis, right?
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2010, 12:49:53 am »

yes brother, that's right.  all sections of the Israel tribe spoke hebrew, as I gather. 
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