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« on: January 04, 2008, 09:10:29 pm »

 


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Let us realistically analyze this colossal myth called "Christmas" that comes around at the end of every year.  It was certainly never the birth date of Essa, son of Virgin Maryam (peace on them both).  So, how in the world did it start ?!


It began in the 3rd century when ..
.. a theologian of the Catholic Church in Rome named Hyppolytus proclaimed December 25 as the birth date of Jesus, son of Virgin Maryam (peace on them both).  Very little is known about Hippolytus in history except that he was a 3rd century priest, a Greek speaking Roman cleric who often came into conflict with the popes.  He was exiled in the island of Sardinia in southern Italy where he died.  He was given the title of "saint" much later.

The earliest mention of some sort of observance of the birth of Jesus on December 25th is in the Roman Calendar which indicates this festival was first observed by the church in Rome in the 2nd century (approximately year 336 A.D.).  Later, most influential Christian personalities began favoring the same date.  Thus, the practice began and got established.

All known figures in the history of the Church who asserted and confirmed the "correctness" of this date did so by accessing the Roman birth census.  There is absolutely no record prior to that indicating December 25th as the birth date of Jesus son of Virgin Maryam.  Thus, it eventually became the officially recognized time of the year for "Christmas."  However, there is absolutely no doubt that this was entirely arranged by the authorities in Rome for purposes of convenience rather than any historical truth.  

Weather conditions and what the altered Bibles say?
It's important to consider the weather conditions at that time of the year in Bethlehem, where Jesus was born. The Jewish month of Chislev (corresponding to November/December) was a month with cold and rainy weather.  The month after that was Tebeth (December/January). It saw the lowest temperatures of the year with occasional snow in the highlands. The Bibles do not say when Jesus was born, but do give reason to conclude that his birth was not in December.  Let's discuss what the Bibles mention about the climate of that region, and their own contradiction of the period of Jesus' birth.  Not to forget the prime fact, UNLIKE THE DIVINE CONTENTS OF THE NOBLE QURAN perfectly intact and original, the Old and New Testaments are not original any longer, they have been completely altered by human hands with scores of man-written versions, "updated" every few years to suit the changing political and social values making a joke out of it!

Bible writer Ezra shows that 'Chislev' was indeed a month known for cold and rainy weather.  After stating that a crowd had gathered in Jerusalem "in the ninth month [Chislev] on the twentieth day of the month," Ezra reports that people were "shivering . . . on account of the showers of rain." Concerning weather conditions at that time of the year, the congregated people themselves said: "It is the season of showers of rain, and it is not possible to stand outside." (Ezra 10:9, 13; Jeremiah 36:22).  The shepherds living in that part of the world made sure that they and their flocks were no longer out of doors at night in December.  Versions of the  Bibles report, however, that shepherds were in the fields tending their flocks on the night of Jesus' birth.  In fact, the Bible writer Luke states that at the time of the birth of Jesus, shepherds were "living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks" near Bethlehem. (Luke 2:8-12).   Notice that the shepherds were actually living outdoors, not just strolling outside during the day. They had their fields at night. Does that description of outdoor living fit the chilly, rainy and sometimes even snowy weather conditions of Bethlehem in December?  It obviously doesn't.  Judean winters were too cold for shepherds to be watching their flocks outdoor, particularly at night.  Many historians and scholars note that Luke's description of shepherds' activities at the time of Jesus' birth suggest a spring or summer birthdate.

For the purpose of upholding the tradition of December 25th, many orthodox Christians argue by refuting the actual climatic conditions of Bethlehem and the regions around.  They claim that these regions come under the umbrella of the Mediterranean climate of mild winters with February at its coldest.  Not true.  Thus they argue that December can be balmy enough to graze sheep.  However, according to weather analysts and the residents of this part of the world, such a claim completely contradicts the actual and existing winter conditions of the region even at present despite the issues of global warming.

Modern research on ancient weather trends of the Holy Land
Palestinian and Western meteorologists tracked December weather patterns for many years and concluded that the climate in this region has been essentially constant for at least the last 2,000 years. The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible states  "broadly speaking, weather phenomena and climatic conditions as pictured in the Bible correspond with conditions as observed today" (R.B.Y. Scott, Vol. 3, Abingdon Press, Nashville, 1962, p. 625).

The temperature in and around Bethlehem in December averages around 44 degrees Fahrenheit (7 degrees Celsius) but can drop to  below freezing, especially at night.  Snow is common for at least a few days in Jerusalem and nearby Bethlehem in December and January. These were the winter months of increased precipitation at the time when the roads became practically unusable and people stayed mostly indoors.

This important piece of evidence along with the narration of Luke 2:8 stating: "Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields keeping watch over their flock by night" goes much against a December birth date of Jesus.   A common practice of shepherds was to keep their flocks in the field from April to October, but in the cold and rainy/snowy winter months they took their flocks back home and sheltered them.

Roman census
The Roman census presided by Roman officials took place every year by law in every province under Roman rule.  Census was also imposed on Syria and Judea (ancient name of a portion of Palestine) when these two provinces came under direct Roman rule.  It involved the enrollment of every citizen for evaluating their assets for tax purposes.  It was mandatory for every person living within the jurisdiction of the Roman Empire to participate in the census every year.

The Roman census recorded by Luke is yet another evidence arguing against a December birth.  The census described by Luke 2:1-7 that mentions: "And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered... So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem..., to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son..."  Narrations in this altered man-written Bible itself contradicts a December birth date, yet persists on what it contradicts.  Mind boggling idiocy!

Authors, historians and scholars are of the view that Roman and Judean rulers knew taking a census in winter would have been inconvenient and impractical.  Generally a census would take place after the harvest season, around September or October, when it would not seriously affect the economy, the weather was good and the roads were still dry enough to allow easy travel. According to the dates for the Roman census, this would probably be the season of the birth of Jesus, son of Virgin Mary -- September or October.
 
Does Christmas have pagan roots?  It sure does!
The date of December 25th coincided with a particular festival among the Romans in the pre-Christian era called *Saturnalia that was observed during the winter solstice.  This festival was dedicated by the Romans to one of their pagan gods named Saturn.  It was considered a big event and celebrated for an entire week.  Check footnote for details.

Depending on the shift of the calendar, the event of the winter solstice occurs some time between December 20th and 23rd each year in the Northern hemisphere, and between June 20th and 23rd in the Southern hemisphere.  It is supposed to be the shortest day or the longest night of the year.  Though the Winter Solstice lasts an instant, the term is used to refer to the full 24-hour period.  Winter festivals in ancient Rome associated with the winter solstice were known as 'Yule.'

As Wikipedia puts it - "Christmas is an annual holiday that celebrates the birth of Jesus...  The date of the celebration is traditional, and is not considered to be his actual date of birth.  Christmas festivities often combine the commemoration of Jesus' birth with various customs, many of which have been influenced by earlier winter festivals" alluding to the winter festivals of pre-Christian Rome and Europe based on pagan myths.
 
After the Romans embraced Christianity en masse, the church thereby offered people (many of whom were new converts to Christianity and still devoted to their pagan traditions) a Christian alternative to the pagan festivities and eventually re-interpreted many of their old pagan symbols and actions in ways acceptable to Christian faith and practice.
 
Not just Christmas, but several Christian holidays were put around the pagan dates and customs, and replaced with Christian names by the Catholic Church, but the practices remained exactly the same as those pagan events. 

For example:

Valentines Day (pagan title, Imbolgc)
Easter (pagan title, Ostara)
Halloween (pagan title, Samhain)
Christmas (pagan title, Yule or Saturnalia)

Thus, December 25 has now become the birth date of Jesus.  However, investigative biblical historians (who are few) are fully aware that it's plain unauthentic.  Everyone knows the birth occurred in a very different time of the year, most likely early fall or late summer. 

Comments / opinions of Western authors and researchers
Another study source agrees: "These humble pastoral folk are out in the field at night with their flock—a feature of the story which would argue against the birth [of Jesus] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted it" (The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary, Abingdon Press, Nashville, 1971, note on Luke 2:4-7).

A source known as The Companion Bible, Appendix 179 says: 'Shepherds and their flocks would not be found "abiding" in the open fields at night in December (Tebeth), for the paramount reason that there would be no pasturage at that time. It was the custom then (as now) to withdraw the flocks during the month Marchesven (Oct.-Nov.) from the open districts and house them for the winter.'

Grolier's encyclopedia says: "Christmas is the feast of the birth of Jesus Christ, celebrated on December 25.... the church did not observe a festival for the celebration of the event until the 4th century.... since 274, under the emperor Aurelian, Rome had celebrated the feast of the "Invincible Sun" on December 25.  In the Eastern Church, January 6, a day also associated with the winter solstice, was initially preferred.  In course of time, however, the West added the Eastern date as the feast of the Epiphany, and the East added the Western date of Christmas."

Edward Gibbon says:
"The Roman Christians, ignorant of his (Jesus') birth, fixed the solemn festival to the 25th of December, the Brumalia, or Winter Solstice, when the pagans annually celebrated the birth of Sol"

Why was Jesus' birth date ignored for more than 2 centuries?
It's important to know that in the first 200 years of Christian history, no mention is made of the calendar date of Jesus' birth.  Not until the year 336 A.D. does one find the first mention of a celebration of his birth.  Why this omission?  According to the church, for 3 centuries after Jesus, the event considered most worthy of commemoration was the date of his "death."  In comparison, the date of his birth was considered insignificant.  As the Encyclopedia Americana explains, "Christmas... was, according to many authorities, not celebrated in the first centuries of the Christian church, as the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth..." (1944 edition, "Christmas").  Origen, a Christian theologian in the early days of the Christian church (185-254 A.D.) strongly recommended against birthday celebrations. "In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world" (Catholic Encyclopedia, 1908 edition, Vol. 3, p. 724, "Natal Day").      
 
A final decision hundreds of years after Jesus
Speculations on a specific date of birth of Jesus began as late as the 3rd and 4th centuries.  A noisy controversy arose among the various church leaders.  Several of them were strongly opposed to such a celebration.  During this time, eight specific dates during six different months were proposed by various theologians.  December 25th, although one of the last dates to be proposed, was the one finally accepted by the leadership of the Roman church.
 
Just as all authentic biblical history is completely lost and in a total mess at present, so is the authentic birth date of Jesus, son of Virgin Mary.  Even his name ("Jesus" a distortion of the original) and title ("Christ" a concoction) have NOTHING to do with the actual person he was, let alone the tales woven by whisperers and gossip mongers.



* Definition of Saturnalia:
Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25.  During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration.  The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.”  Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week.  At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.



Related posts, must read!

-  How did the name get distorted to "Jesus Christ" ?
-  They are 'Nasara,' NOT 'Christians' which is another sick interpolation
- How did the idea of Christmas tree come about ?  What has that to do with anyone's birthday ?
- Tradition of Christmas tree has very pagan roots
- The ridiculoous pagan myth of "Santa Claus"
- The Drunken Revelry: New Year celebrations, Halal or Haram ? (most read post by our sisters & brothers in Faith during the end year holiday season.  They want correct information to which everyone is entitled.)
- Stonehenge, the nature worshiper's fake




The only source of Truth:


- In the Noble Quran, about Essa ('Jesus'), son of Virgin Maryam.
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 03:00:14 am »



Alhumdulilah, very good step by step break-up of the matter, sister.  It is accepted even among the Christian community that Dec.25 is not the birthday of Jesus son of Mary (peace be on them).  But nobody wants to hear about it.  I really like your research and proofs.  There's another very logical point I heard brother Shabir Ally mention in one of his lectures.  In the Quran, Allah says that when virgin Mary was expecting and was about to deliver, the pangs of childbirth made her run outside in desperation and she stood close to a date tree.  Then Allah commanded her to shake the trunk of the tree which made the dates fall on the ground for her to eat.  Allah also placed a stream of clear cool water close to her, and told her to eat and drink the pure fruit and water and feel refreshed.  Date is a fruit which grows in that region only in summer, not winter.   Allah also talks about the cool drink of water from the stream provided to Mary to feel refreshed.  This would only be in summer because in the cold winter of that region, one would need a warm drink like some beverage to keep oneself comfortable.

This is out of topic, but I'd like to put it here.  Someone listening to this lecture asked that how could a frail pregnant woman have the strength to shake the trunk of a date tree.  This poor person never understood the Mercy and Bounty of Allah (The Greatest).  This very point shows the kindness of Allah towards Mary.  No doubt she was weak and frail at that time.  But when she was commanded to shake the trunk of the tree, all she needed to do in that frail condition was to simply touch the tree.  That was enough to make the fruits fall by Allah's command. 

Thanks a lot for this post sister.

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 03:04:32 am »



Similarly the tradition of christmas tree also has a pagan origin from the Roman era. 

InshAllah, I'll put some information on that soon.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 11:57:58 pm »



Refreshing read.  Immensely informative.  I did know that Christmas is a constructed ceremony that has nothing to do with Essa son of Maryam .. and despite the Bibles being altered so many times, I don't think Christmas is even mentioned in any of the versions of the Bible .. though at present it's supposed to be one of the biggest celebrations in the Christian world, Christmas is one of the Christian counterparts of all those totally unfounded traditions mentioned in Hadith. 

Furthermore, Christmas has in most Christian societies completely lost its religious link.  The Christian world is by and large so secular that Christmas is only a social celebration with food and gifts, and an ideal opportunity for drinkers and boozers to get stoned and piss in their living rooms.  This of course happens still more a week later on the evening of Dec.31 ... another pagan tale called "new year celebrations."

The most important significance of Christmas in modern era is it's commercial value.  The business community, manufacturers and importers / exporters prepare for it throughout the year with mass price increases.  By end October you see the markets flooded with new products, be it food, clothing, cosmetic, kitchenware, linen, toys, fir trees, decorations .. just name it.  The prices are exhorbitant till Dec.25, and then the same products are sold at 50% lower prices on Dec.26 (boxing day sales) when most stores almost experience a stampede  😄  a few get crushed in store entrances and die every year.  The business community keeps watching the sale like a hawk till they finally make a graph of their profits by mid January.   

Considering the fact that Christmas has a purely pagan origin, I would say that the modern day secularisation and commercialisation of this event is perhaps the better of the two evils. 

How misguided can the human mind be?  The misguidance goes into two opposite directions. They'll either be drawn to paganism, or then when they think they have acquired enough "education" they get drawn to secularism.  But both these groups of deviants stubbornly refuse to see the real and ultimate Truth - the reality of Allah, the Greatest.

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 12:06:45 am »



Brother TS, thanks for mentioning that point from the Qur'an as elucidated by Br. Shabir Ally.  That really sounds logical.  It never occurred to me before. 

AsSalam Alaykum to all and peace
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 12:12:29 am »



You are very welcomed Sister Ruhi.  And all your comments make a lot a sense.  You are right on to suggest the commercialisation of Christmas.  and yes - this might be a step better than concocting it into a religious event.  I do get your point there 
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 08:24:08 pm »

 salamem all.  Thanks a billion for your most enlightening comments.

One more point to add.  Russian Christians usually celebrate Christmas on January 7th because they follow the solar Julian calendar instead of the Gregorian calendar.  Gregorian calendar is the one presently  followed throughout Europe and North America.  However, be it Dec.25 or Jan.7, both the dates for the birth of Jesus, son of Mary, are based on myths connected with pagan traditions in the pre-Christian Roman era. Neither of the two dates correspond to any historical truth. 

Difference between Julian and Gregorian calendars:
The Julian calendar was a reform of the Roman calendar which was introduced by Julius Caesar in 46 BC and came into force in 45 BC.  It was slightly modified by Augustus, establishing the 12-month year of 365.25 days with each 4th year having 366 days and the months having 31 or 30 days except for February.

The Gregorian calendar is the the modern western calendar, a replacement for the Julian Calendar. It was introduced in 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII as a revision of the Julian calendar marked by the suppression of 10 days and having leap years in every year divisible by four.  In leap years, February has 29 days instead of the usual 28.

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2008, 06:48:31 pm »

Btw today on Jan.30 there's been snowfall in Jerusalem and South Lebanon.  In Jerusalem roads are blocked, schools closed and traffic safety warnings issued.  Media around the world wants to make it appear unusual.  But it's not unusual.  This happens every 2 or 3 years despite modern-day global warming.  Snowfall usually takes place 3 or 4 weeks earlier in the season.  It was a bit late this year.  Even when there's no snowfall, the very cold weather persists with frequent rainfall from early Dec. thru mid Feb.  The trees are bare, grass turns russet and no flowers to be seen.  Check the pics below.  Would any shepherd take his sheep to graze at such a time of the year?


Snowfalling in Jerusalem. (Nir Hasson) Jan.30, 2008.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2008, 11:50:16 pm »

Many thanks for this feedback with photos + video.  It supports my original post very well. 

May Allah bless you dear brother.  Salaams and peace.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2008, 10:01:00 pm »



Uniquely interesting thread.  Every analysis is irrefutable.  Great work, MaashAllah.
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2011, 12:45:30 am »



Not only the date, but the large majority of Christmas symbols are also pagan rituals. Christmas largely comprises of nature worshiping with "christmas trees, hollies, wreaths" etc.  which is typically a pagan tradition.   
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2011, 12:49:33 am »



100% correct sister Heba.  It's all about pagan traditions with nature worshiping as its central theme. 

The minds of so many generations have been twisted with such falsehoods.  Allah will deal with each one on the Day of the Tryst. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2020, 01:24:29 pm »




This is a "Christmas" painting of birth of Prophet Essa (son of Virgin Maryam) that appeared on Twitter this season, posted by a Christian with the acknowledgement that Dec. 25 is not the birthdate of Essa (son of Virgin Maryam). This date was chosen as late as the 4th century to replace the pagan Roman feast. From the time of early Christians (the Nazarenes .. from Nazareth), they are sure he was born in April or May.  Even the Christians admit that.  So, why at all celebrate the day as his birthdate?  Just call it an annual social event.   But the world always loves false stories more than facts.




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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2020, 01:31:15 pm »



Yes Sister Ruhi, I also saw this image posted on Twitter with the paraphrased/translated message you stated.  The caption was in Arabic, apparently by someone from the Middle East.  That brings another point on focus too, and as the art depicts, Prophet Essa (son of Virgin Maryam) and the people of their household were ethnically very, very Arabs, not Caucasians with blue eyes and blond hair as commonly depicted.
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2020, 01:33:24 pm »



Exactly, Sister Zainab.  Spot on ....
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