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Title: Ottoman Turkey NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Zeynab on May 30, 2009, 03:21:32 am

Anatolia is another name for Turkey or Asia Minor.  It's referred to the area located east of the Bosporus Straight and between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea.
Armenia and Armenian lobby worldwide state that in 1915 Turkey's Ottoman Empire  committed genocide against Armenians living in Anatolia. Armenians striving to make their statements recognized worldwide have strengthened their propaganda of the so-called genocide in several countries and have achieved recognition of the “Armenian genocide” at several Parliaments.
This campaign was the brainchild of a small group of Turkish dissidents consisting of some writers and journalists.  The little circle of mischief mongers launched a website issuing an apology to the Armenians regarding the 1915 so-called incident and requesting the people to sign as a gesture of support. 
Not to mention, Armenia has since long been a troublemaker-state.  It aroused unrest in Nagorno Karabakh, a province of Azerbaijan under Armenian control, to secede.   This led to years of a bloody struggle between Azerbaijan and Nagorno Karabakh during the mid to late 1980s. 
Coming more to the point ..

If you visit "Holdwater's" sites of the Tall Armenian Tale - Other Side of the Falsified Genocide ( - you'll learn much about this carefully concocted myth behind the so-called "genocide" against the Armenians of Turkey (in Anatolia) in WWI.  The dirty and untruthful propaganda was started by the Armenian Americans after WWI.  At present, they are given total support by the West to propagate their lies.  Armenians are orthodox Christians.  It's much like the raving and ranting of the Jews on Holocaust.  In conformity with longstanding, stable and reliable data, less than 1.5 million Armenian Christians lived throughout Turkey during the Ottoman period.  Yet, according to the Armenian genocide myth, more than 1.5 million are said to have died.  For anyone with just two brain cells to rub, the falsification of this episode is evident.   

Statistics collected soon after WWI says a very different story.  While slightly less than 600,000 Anatolian Armenians died during the period of 1912-22, more than 2.5 million Anatolian Muslims perished during the same period.  The inter-communal conflict was carried out by Christian and Muslim vigilante forces, and the situation deteriorated because of famine and diseases as is usual during war times.  None of the historians have until now been able to find any evidence of a "genocide" against Anatolian Armenians.  In fact, all historians have recorded that the Anatolian Armenians fought against their own government.  The Ottoman Souvenir mentions "Their violent political aims, not their race, ethnicity or religion, rendered them subject to relocation."

By the way, "Holdwater" is a Turkish author and academic.  He uses this online username to protect his identity for his own safety.  With the extent of hatred harbored against Turks by the growing intolerance within Armenian Americans, many Turk nationalists consider it necessary to conceal their identity while exposing the truth.  Furious by his hard work to reveal Armenian fabrications, there have been many attempts by Armenian extremists to unveil "Holdwater's" identity but to no avail.  Holdwater's response "As I have always said, what we need to focus on is the message; not the messenger." 

Before quoting excerpts from the above sites, let's check some information from the Ottoman Souvenir - the Armenian allegation of genocide, the issue and the facts. (

Quoting Ottoman Souvenir:
The Ottoman Empire ruled over all of Anatolia and significant parts of Europe, North Africa, the Caucasus and Middle East for over 700 years. Lands once Ottoman dominions today comprise more than 30 independent nations.
The tail-end period of the Ottoman rule contained frequent unrest, as always happens when an imperiled empire loses battles on remote and disparate fronts, grasping to continue a reign of over 700 years.  During these final years of the Ottoman Empire thousands died - Muslims, Jews, and Christians alike.
Yet Armenian Americans have attempted to extricate and isolate their history from the complex circumstances in which their ancestors were embroiled. In so doing, they describe a world populated only by white-hatted heroes and black-hatted villains. The heroes are always Christian and the villains are always Muslim. Infusing history with myth, Armenian Americans vilify the Republic of Turkey, Turkish Americans, and ethnic Turks worldwide. Armenian Americans bent on this prosecution choose their evidence carefully, omitting all evidence that tends to exonerate those whom they presume guilty, ignoring important events and verifiable accounts, and sometimes relying on dubious or prejudiced sources and even falsified documents. Though this portrayal is necessarily one-sided and steeped in bias, the Armenian American community presents it as a complete history and unassailable fact.
To oppose Armenian American orthodoxy on this issue has become risky. Any attempt to challenge the credibility of witnesses, or the authenticity of documents, or to present evidence that some of the claimed victims were responsible for their own fate is either wholly squelched or met with accusations of genocide denial. Moreover, any attempt to demonstrate the suffering and needless death of millions of innocent non-Christians enmeshed in the same events as the Anatolian Armenians is greeted with sneers, as if to say that some lives are inherently more valuable than others and that one faith is more deserving than another. The lack of real debate, enforced with a heavy hand by Armenian Americans, ensures that any consideration of what genuinely occurred nearly a century ago in Eastern Anatolia will utterly fail as a search for the truth.
Armenian Americans possess the right to promote and celebrate their heritage and even to discuss ancient grievances. However, Armenian Americans seek to deny these very rights to others.
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Check the Ottoman Sourvenir site for a set of complete information of the truth which won't be easy to find elsewhere.

As stated by the Assembly of Turkish American Association (, this is an interesting piece.

"The Armenians want to play on the sentiments of the Jewish Holocaust and purport that Adolf Hitler made this quotation in a speech regarding his planned annihilation of the European Jews. One of the most frequently utilized falsifications by Armenian spokesmen is that Hitler felt justified in going forward with his plan to exterminate European Jewry during the Second World War, because he was encouraged that the world had not reacted to alleged Ottoman mistreatment of its Armenian population during the First World War.

The problem with this linkage is that there is no proof that Hitler ever made such a statement. It is claimed that he referred to the Armenians in the manner cited above, while delivering a secret talk to members of his General Staff, a week prior to his attack on Poland. However, there is no reference to the Armenians in the original texts of the two Hitler speeches delivered on August 22, 1939, published as the official texts in the reliable Nuremberg documents.

It is natural to assume that Hitler spoke to his generals on that day in his and their native tongue, German. The Nuremberg documents are the only authoritative and authentic sources. However, a few English translations that appeared in New York Times and London Times in 1945 carried an additional sentence in Hitler's speech that does not occur in the authorized German texts.

And now, some excerpts from "Holdwater's" Tall Armenian Tale sites that are certainly worth a read.  For complete details please visit the links above.

Quoting Falsified Genocide website --
Here is my first exposure to the Armenian Genocide: a poster in my school with the Turkish flag's star and crescent formed into a swastika; I was shocked. I had never heard about this episode of history, and it certainly was very bothersome for my own ethnic group to be equated with the Nazis. Especially when the victims turned out to be the Armenians... my parents raised me to feel a kinship with the Armenians. (My father would sometimes curse out the Greeks... although I was never led to believe I should feel hatred for either people, or anyone; quite the contrary, the things we shared in common were stressed in my upbringing, not our differences.) I asked my father whether this genocide was true, and he was far from the biggest authority on the subject. He told me it was the Kurds who did a lot of the massacring, which sounded to me like laying the blame on someone else. (Later on, I would learn there was truth to this assertion.... not because the Kurds were a vicious people but because in the Eastern part of the Ottoman Empire, there were a lot of Kurds who lived side by side with the Armenians; when the Armenians "fired the first shot" (  by ethnically cleansing the regions they were in control of, it was the Kurds who were mostly on the receiving end. The counter-massacres committed by the Kurds were mainly in vindictive response to the murders committed by the Armenians.) My father also told me there was some American report that pretty much found the Turks innocent, and that was what appeased me until I could learn more for myself. I guess the American in question was Admiral Mark Bristol."
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Quoting an important guestbook comment from the Falsified Genocide site --Turkey or Turks don't sit down and open internet sites to tell the world about themselves, or their problems. Since Turks don't have preconceived hatred against any nation or ethnic group, they don't also sit down and open internet sites to vent off their hatred. Most of the Turkish sites are for commercial purposes like tourism, radios, TV's, papers etc. There are a couple of forums like this site. A couple of forums also are closed because of financial problems and it goes a long way to show you that most of these sites are opened and maintained by individuals, not organizations with certain agendas. I still can not believe it, some Armenian or Greek organizations sit down and make fake internet sites impersonating Turks, and actually put time and money to maintain those sites. How sick is that - Burak, from a guestbook comment.
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Quoting Tall Armenian Tale website --
For nearly a century, the Western World has wholeheartedly accepted that there has been an attempt by the Ottoman Turks to systematically destroy the Armenian people, comparable to what the Nazis committed upon the Jews during World War II. Many Armenians who have settled in America, Europe and Australia (along with other parts of the world, known as "The Armenian Diaspora") have clung to the tragic events of so long ago as a form of ethnic identity, and have considered it their duty to perpetuate this myth, with little regard for facts... at the same time breeding hatred among their young. As descendants of the merchant class from the Ottoman Empire, Armenians have been successful in acquiring the wealth and power to make their voices heard... and they have made good use of the "Christian" connection to gain the sympathies of Westerners who share their religion and prejudices.

Turks characteristically shun propaganda, and have chosen not to dwell on the tragedies of the past, forging ahead to build upon brotherhood — not hate. This is why the horrifying massacres committed upon the Turks, Kurds and other Ottoman Muslims by Armenians have seldom been heard. When such reports are heard, Westerners can be callously dismissive... Turkish lives are apparently as meaningless to them as Indian lives were to most early Americans.

It's amazing that whenever the "Armenian Genocide" is referred to in Western media, journalists seem to fall all over themselves in presenting the perspective totally from the Armenian propaganda machinery. Whenever there is an attempt to present "the other side," the passage is usually preceded with "The Turkish Government claims..."
What every person needs to do is look at the facts. If there were REAL proof of government- sponsored evil planned against the Armenians, a people who peacefully lived with and prospered beside the Turks for over five centuries, it would be Turks crying out against such horrors before everyone else ...
The often told "Armenian Genocide" tale ... a tale told hardly with any opposition in nations sympathetic to the "Christian" Armenians ... has been so ingrained within people's belief that any attempt to shed light on the actual truth is often violently rejected.
Another irony is that while Armenians have been doing their utmost to portray Turks as Nazis in an effort to equate themselves with Holocaust victims,  Turks did their best to save Jews during World War II ... while European Armenians actively supported the Nazi cause.
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In the words of Western analysts / writers:
"Condemnation without hearing both sides is unjust and un-American" Arthur Tremaine Chester, "Angora and the Turks," The New York Times Current History, Feb.1923
"...Matter sent to the papers by their correspondents in Turkey is biased against the Turks. This implies an injustice against which even a criminal on trial is protected." Gordon Bennett, publisher, The New York Herald, circa 1915   

"No Englishman worthy of the name would condemn a prisoner on the evidence of the prosecution alone, without first hearing the evidence for the defence." C.F. Dixon-Johnson, British author, from his 1916 book, "The Armenians."   

"There is no crime without evidence. A genocide cannot be written about in the absence of factual proof."  Henry R. Huttenbach, history professor who appears to support the Armenian viewpoint exclusively, as do... curiously... nearly all so-called "genocide scholars"; The Genocide Forum, 1996, No. 9   

"It is... time that Americans ceased to be deceived by (Armenian) propaganda in behalf of policies which are... nauseating..." John Dewey, Columbia University professor, "The Turkish Tragedy,"  The New Republic, Nov. 1928   

"(This) one-sided and unreliable information (about any people) after a long period of unchallenged time, would create hostility and hatred that would not be easily overcome.” (Cyrus Hamlin, co-founder of the American missionary college in Istanbul [Robert College], opining on anti-Turkish propaganda, late 19th-Century).

To read another dynamic report on Western and Armenian propaganda, I would suggest to please read and bookmark the writing of a brilliant Turkish member at the World Affair Online Forum titled BRITISH PROPAGANDA AND THE TURKS. (

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on May 31, 2009, 04:15:56 am

 weldem  .... great exposure of a longstanding truth being hidden since WWI.   This lie about the "Armenian genocide" is supposed to be the 'lower holocaust.'  Armenians have always been hardline orthodox Christian extremists.  Unfortunately, the Ottomans were too kind to these Armenian scoundrels.  That's why they flourished in Turkey for more than 500 years thoughout the Ottoman rule.   Secondly, the following quote from the Tall Armenian Tale website as given above is really important.

"Another irony is that while Armenians have been doing their utmost to portray Turks as Nazis in an effort to equate themselves with Holocaust victims,  Turks did their best to save Jews during World War II ... while European Armenians actively supported the Nazi cause." 

Armenian-Nazi collaboration during WW2 is famous.  Being ultra-conservative orthodox hardline Christians, Armenians are fanatically anti-Semites.  Check out the following old pictures where Armenian reservists are swearing allegiance to Hitler's forces.  The captions are within the photo so it could never have been doctored. 



These pics were posted by a Turkish member in an Israeli forum. (  The member was eventually banned but fortunately his posts weren't deleted.  So why was he banned?  Because this topic is an embarrassing one for the Jews, and somewhat complicated too.  The Jews are aware that Armenians collaborated closely with Nazis.  At heart, they are also angry about it.  But the Jews also know that they are the 'first love' of the United States and the West.  Though the West supports the Armenian fascists over the Turks and other Muslims, Armenians will always remain the West's 'second best.'  That's comforting for the Zionist state.   The Jews also realise that the West, which supports the Zionists and Jews, supports the Armenians too.  So, for the Jews, recognizing Armenia's Nazi connections would mean drifting away from Armenians and coming closer with Turkey.  Though Turkey has diplomatic relations with Israel, it's a Muslim country and by far the much greater majority of Turks are anti-Israel.  Also, grumbling over Armenian-Nazi collaboration might mean making matters hard with the West and United States.  Israel does not want all this to happen because it doesn't care for ethics.  It only cares for its own interest.  That's why in this forum you will notice that in response to the Turkish member's very well researched information on Armenian-Nazi collaboration, the Israeli responses keep saying that they don't want Israel to get "dragged" into the Armenian-Turkish conflict.  They are clearly not pleased with the information posted by the Turkish member and also threatened to ban him, which they apparently did.  He's now listed as a "guest." 

Like I said, Armenians are noted anti-Semites.  That's no secret at all.  And, Armenian-Nazi friendship during WW2 is just as well-known.  Therefore, you don't really have to search much to find piles and piles of info about it.  Some of the sites hobnobbing between Armenians and Nazis are:

- Armenian-Nazi Collaboration blogspot (
- The Nazi-Armenian genocide of Jews 1935-1945 by Samuel A. Weems (
- The Second World war: Armenian - NAZI Collaboration? (
- The Armenian-Nazi Collaboration in WW II By Ayhan Ozer (Assembly of Turkish American Associations) (
- Armenian Nazi collaboration from Tall Armenian Tale (
- Armenian Nazi collaboration, deliberately forgotten (Turkish forum) (

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Heba E. Husseyn on November 22, 2009, 11:12:20 pm
Yes, this is a great read with tons of truthful information. 

And uptil now, no Western media has ever talked about those 5 Armenian terrorists ( who tried to attack the Turkish embassy at Portugal back in 1983.

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Ozcan on May 11, 2013, 05:48:34 am
Well done sister Zeynab as always. While I would of course never support genocide against any people regardless of race or religion, it's true that there was never any 'Armenian genocide'. 

This is a list of Turkish diplomats killed by Armenian militant organisations. The list includes familiars of diplomats as well as local or international staff members killed as a result of direct terrorist attacks or as collateral damage victims of the attacks directed against Turkish diplomats. The terrorist attacks that are listed here begin with the assassination of Mehmet Baydar, Turkish Consul General to Los Angeles and Bahadır Demir, Consul at the same Consulate General. Although the terrorist attacks against Turkish diplomats begin with these assassinations in 1973 by an individual perpetrator, Gourgen Yanikian, the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) has assumed – or in some cases accused of – the responsibility of terrorist attacks against Turkish diplomats and other Turkish objectives in 16 countries between 1975 and 1983.

Mehmet Baydar, Santa Barbara, California, Consul General, 27 January 1973
Bahadır Demir, Consul, Santa Barbara, California, 27 January 1973
Kemal Arikan, killed 28 January 1982 in Los Angeles by JCAG members Hampig Sassounian and an accomplice.
Daniş Tunalıgil, Vienna, Ambassador, 27 October 1975
İsmail Erez, Paris, Ambassador, 24 October 1975.
Talip Yener, Driver, Paris, 24 October 1975
Oktar Cirit, First Secretary of the Turkish Embassy, Beirut, 16 February 1976
Taha Carım, Vatican City, Ambassador, 9 June 1977.
Necla Kuneralp, Madrid, Wife of Turkish Ambassador to Madrid, Zeki Kuneralp, 2 June 1978 [17]
Beşir Balcıoğlu, Madrid, Retired Ambassador, brother of Ms Kuneralp 2 June 1978
Ahmet Benler, The Hague, Ambassador's Son, 12 October 1979
Yılmaz Çolpan, Paris, Tourism Counsellor, 22 December 1979.
Galip Özmen, Athens, Attaché, 31 July 1980
Neslihan Özmen, Athens, Daughter of Attaché Özmen, 31 July 1980
Şarık Arıyak, Sydney, Consul General, 17 December 1980
Engin Sever, Attaché, 17 December 1980
Reşat Moralı, Paris, Labour Attaché, 4 March 1981
Tecelli Arı, Religion Officer, 4 March 1981
M. Savaş Yergüç, Geneva, Local Secretary, 9 June 1981
Cemal Özen, Paris, Attaché, 24 September 1981
Kemal Arıkan, Los Angeles / Consul General, 28 January 1982
Orhan Gündüz, Boston, Honorary Consul General, 4 May 1982
Erkut Akbay, Lisbon, Administrative Attaché, 7 June 1982
Atilla Altıkat, Ottawa, Colonel, Military Attaché, 27 August 1982
Bora Süelkan, Burgas, Administrative Attaché, 9 September 1982
Nadide Akbay, Lisbon, Administrative Attaché's Wife, 8 January 1983
Galip Balkar, Belgrade, Ambassador, 9 March 1983
Dursun Aksoy, Brussels, Administrative Attaché, 14 July 1983
Cahide Mıhçıoğlu, Lisbon, Wife of the Counselor, 27 July 1983
Işık Yönder, Tehran, Wife of Local Secretary, 28 April 1984
Erdoğan Özen, Vienna, Labour Attaché, 20 June 1984
Evner Ergun, Vienna, International Officer, 19 November 1984
Çetin Görgü, Athens, Press Attaché, 7 October 1991
Çağlar Yücel, Baghdad, Attaché, 11 December 1993
Haluk Sipahioğlu, Counselor of the Turkish Embassy, Athens, 4 July 1994

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Zeynab on May 17, 2013, 06:17:12 am

Many thanks for this info brother Ozcan.

Btw, can you provide me with any website links where I can read the history of the Ottomans .. I mean fair and unbiased information?   I see many Musims comparing, rather equating, Erdogan's pro-West policies with the Ottomans. Ottomans are famous for many of their achievements.  I don't think they were ever as puppety as Erdogan.  So why this comparison?  Or am I wrong?

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Ozcan on May 18, 2013, 06:41:22 pm
Many thanks for this info brother Ozcan.

Btw, can you provide me with any website links where I can read the history of the Ottomans .. I mean fair and unbiased information?   I see many Musims comparing, rather equating, Erdogan's pro-West policies with the Ottomans. Ottomans are famous for many of their achievements.  I don't think they were ever as puppety as Erdogan.  So why this comparison?  Or am I wrong?

Salaam sister Zeynab,

Unfortunately I too don't know any reliable websites about Ottoman history. I do have a few books by a famous Turkish historian, which I haven't read yet (because Islamic books currently have the priority and I'm a slow reader). I just checked if he has a website but I couldn't find it in English. Besides, the site doesn't seem to be his own official website but of his readers or something.

As for Ottomans, they certainly weren't western puppets until the beginning of the 19th century, but unfortunately they eventually became one. The desperate attempt at westernization didn't start with Ataturk. Since the last 150 years  (or maybe longer) the Ottomans and now Turks have had a massive inferiority complex and a strong urge to adopt anything western. During this late Ottoman era many people, mainly from the rich and the elite, were sent to countries like France to study and when they came back they had become totally westernized. They started hating their own culture and some even Islam.

These western-educated Ottomans have basically destroyed the whole empire. They have also tried desperately to erase all Turkish words of Arabic origin that remind people of Islam. There were people who actually tried to wipe Islam completely off in Anatolia. In the 1930's some Turkish textbooks in schools were portraying Islam as a backward Arab and man-made religion - they went that far. Many people who were religious rightfully didn't send their kids to school in that era. The 1940s were even worse if I remember correctly; people couldn't gather to study or even talk about Islam or Allah at all. Muslims were severely oppressed by the state and the Turkish Gendarmerie breaking into people's houses and so on. There are still old people who remember those days with horror.

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Zeynab on May 18, 2013, 07:32:11 pm

Walaikum Salaam and plenty of thanks for this very comprehensive information, brother Ozcan.  This is precisely what I wanted to know.  You're right,the decline began in the 1900s following the imperialistic presence in the Middle-East.   If I'm right, Mostafa Kemal took over in the mid 1920s and his anti-Islamic policies within Turkey were draconian, to say the least.  But since the Turks had already drifted away from culture orientation as much as that, I'm sure Mostafa Kemal's takeover didn't seem like a "revolution" to many of his countrymen. 

Thank you again, brother, for that much needed information. 

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Ozcan on May 19, 2013, 06:31:40 am
Sis Zeynab, westernization and 'reformation' which is called 'Tanzimat' in Ottoman Turkish, started long before the Ataturk era - to be precise in 1839. Most people think that Ataturk came to power and suddenly people became secular or anti-Islam which is really not the case. As for Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar ganging up on Syria, I don't know what to say really. I have stopped following it because I find it too frustrating to handle and I'm tired of our so-called 'ummah'. I have decided that we just deserve all the suffering in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere and perhaps God is punishing us. Thanks for the video and info by the way.

Just one little thing about westernization of the Ottoman/Turkish elite. This man is a perfect example, he was a kafir and real enemy of Islam, and amazingly even an enemy of Turkish culture, music and arts. Let's say a western wannabe of the very worst kind. His name was Nurullah Ataç (1898-1957). He worked for decades to erase Turkish words of Arabic origin, such as 'kelime' (kalima) etc. for the sole reason that they might remember Turkish people of their Islamic past. And during Muslim holidays like Eid Al-Fitr he would write on his door; "We don't accept visitors during the holidays of Muslims". He was that arrogant and hostile...

Nurullah Ataç (1898-1957). He looks like a German Nazi officer to me.


Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Zeynab on May 19, 2013, 06:23:15 pm

My endless appreciation for educating me on this, brother Ozcan.  I really didn't know much of it.  I too was one of those who thought secularism came abruptly with Ataturk, causing the confusion it did.

I'm acquainted with the word "tanzim" in Urdu.  It means an "organization, arrangement or method."  I presume the Turkish connotation ('tanzimat' being plural of 'tanzim') is to those parties that began the new policy of westernization prior to the secular Turkish revolution.   

The information on Nurullah Atac is mind blowing!  Even worse than a Nazi or a Zionist.  A traitor can be still more dangerous than the official enemy.  If you hadn't told me he was Ottoman, I would surely think him to be a legacy of Ataturk.    You're so correct, I too think Allah Almighty is punishing the ummah.  Not just Turkey, but throughout the length & breadth of the pan-Islamic block, the deviations and short sightedness are appalling.  I no longer blame just the leaders.  Majority of the people are no different.  Bad leaders can never have a firm grasp on power unless their subjects are disgracefully servile. 

Discarding all that sectarian crap, so far the only nation I see closest to the Islamic ideology of sovereignty and progress is Iran.  There are crooks in Iran too.  But unlike the rest of the Ummah, the bad guys are yet a minority.  The realization of honoring the blood of the revolutionary martyrs who kicked out the representatives of the colonizers is still very important to the majority.

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Ozcan on May 20, 2013, 06:44:35 am
Sister Zeynab, I'm actually learning more from you.. your knowledge on Islam is very good. I'm not contributing much because you have covered all important subjects in great detail.. I just don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to start Islamic topics, so I only share what I do know.

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Zeynab on May 22, 2013, 05:35:40 am

Thank you very much brother but actually we're all learning from each other here.   Please feel free to take up any topic you like.  Even if it has been covered, various points can be overlooked by the author.  Reminders and corrections are always welcomed.

Btw, here is a link narrating the brief history of the Ottomans which I found and have been reading since yesterday.  You may like to look it up in your own time and let me know of the extent of its authenticity.

Title: Re: Turkey is NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on May 17, 2016, 04:20:58 am
The Millennium Report discloses that it was the Donmeh crypto-Jewish community of Turkey that was responsible for this genocide.  For that reason, Zionists don't want to meddle with this topic.

"Why won’t Israel acknowledge the Armenian Genocide? Because the Donmeh cryto-Jewish leadership of Turkey was responsible." (

Title: Re: Ottoman Turkey NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on April 28, 2017, 01:26:40 am

With all the hullabaloo of this anniversary which was supposedly on April 24, I come back to this thread to read that Armenian-Nazi link you posted, brother TS.  Recently some Press TV readers/commentators also emphasized much on the donmeh involvement.  Surprisingly, according to several folks, Press TV didn't post some vital info on talkback by commentators on the exaggeration of this story.  I often can't understand our Ummah either.  Their perception is so unpredictably wired.   Recep Tayyip Erdogan's childish craze and his obsession of impersonating as an Ottoman Sultan has made many presume the Ottomans were Salafist lovers like him.  Such baseless notions have also been fodder for the propagandists of the Armenian story.   It's unfortunate that people are unable to keep the criticism of slimebags within the context. Ottoman rule lasted for 700 years that gradually slided  from "brave warriors to western puppets." I know the last few were crummy puppets, to say the least, though they too didn't harbor terrorists like Erdogan.  But what I'm trying to say is, it isn't fair to tar a 700-year largely successful empire known for its tolerance throughout medieval era because of the infatuation of one modern-day lunatic. But the point here is, if killing of 600,000 is genocide .. the killing of 2.5 million is mega genocide.  But no one even seems to know that  this story at all has two sides.

Title: Re: Ottoman Turkey NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Zeynab on April 28, 2017, 01:42:41 am

Exactly Sister Ruhi.  You got the words out of me.  I've been thinking precisely on these lines.  Many of our brethren have a tendency of getting impulsively worked up, deducing black & white conclusions on the rebound.  That's the approach applied for slandering our great Faith too.  Some maliciously daft mufti or sheikh forges a wacko hadith falsely attributing it to the Prophet (pbuh), and large segments of our sisters and brothers get cynical about the Prophet (pbuh) and our enemies go gaga with joy. 

Title: Re: Ottoman Turkey NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Ruhi_Rose on April 28, 2017, 01:48:27 am

Right on Sis.  Raving and ranting over a carefully constructed 102-year-old "genocide" while reserving trillions of 21st century dollars for wars to gag and throttle Muslim states that desire to be independent and killing millions before the eyes of the silent world.  I'm sure earth must be the weirdest planet in our solar system.

I seek refuge in Allah The Almighty.

Title: Re: Ottoman Turkey NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Zeynab on April 28, 2021, 12:39:25 pm

April 28, 2021:   And lately, Joe Biden can remember a tale to be a genocide more than 100 years ago claiming Turkey committed “genocide” of Armenians in 1915.   But he doesn’t see what’s going on under his nose as “genocide” - in China, Yemen, occupied Palestine and occupied Kashmir.     And he has never even talked about the recent genocide of Rohingyas by Suu Kyi and her military in Myanmar. 

Title: Re: Ottoman Turkey NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on April 28, 2021, 12:42:01 pm

Spot on, Sister.   Absolutely right.    This old man is just as crazy as the other geezer, his predecessor.   I wonder whom he's trying to appease this time.   Is there a large Armenian population in US?   Or is he trying to show he's into human rights ......?   

Hypocrisy has no limits in the modern world.

Title: Re: Ottoman Turkey NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: Zeynab on April 28, 2021, 12:46:48 pm

Precisely brother.   Shameless hypocrisy is limitless within the ideology of the Western establishment. 
And it gets easier for them because their masses are such insular nitwits.

Title: Re: Ottoman Turkey NOT guilty of "genocide" against Armenians
Post by: N. Truth Seeker on April 28, 2021, 12:48:51 pm

Agree 200% !!!!