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Flashbacks of the Inquisition and unpleasant analogies

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« on: December 06, 2006, 02:50:50 am »


Wecome to our forum, dear brother in Islam.  Thanks for your input.  I would also appreciate if you introduce yourself briefly at the 'Introduction' board.

Realizing the importance of the sunnah in the practical aspect of Islam, they made every possible attempt to discredit the hadiths. They failed in their attempt, however they were able to find some followers in the Indian subcontinent. Today's group that call themselves the followers of the "Quran" are carrying the seed those orientalists cultivated in the Indian subcontinent.

Well .. I would put it thus.  I agree Sunnah is important, but it goes without saying that it must be the true Sunnah of the Prophet (Salallah Alayhi Wasallam), NOT the "sunnah" of imam Bukhari etc. that's twisted and turned to dupe the naive believers. 

Besides, there's no "group" that rejects sunnah or hadeeth (though I hope there was).  You will only find a few individuals questioning hadeeth .. the ones who are a little brave to raise their voices.  Of course this doesn't mean that everyone in the mainstream agrees with Hadeeth.  It's just that they are too scared of the consequences of speaking up.  That's why I compared the culture introduce by our imams to the Catholic clergy of medieavel Europe.  Unfortunately the originals of the beloved Prophet's message has been lostwhere he (pbuh) had said to hold on to the Quraan.  Most importantly, Allah (The Most High) says in the Glorious Quraan to follow His commandments and not human concoctions .. and all those thousands of Hadeeth that keep creeping up in every generation since the last 1200 years are something for which Allah has certainly given us no warrant. 

Thirdly, I cannot speak for others who reject Hadeeth.  However, I question hadeeth on the basis of my own perception, which is .. I clearly see many ahadeeth as contradicting the Quraan blatantly and also clashing with the beloved Prophet's exemplary personality & character .  It also does not require a genius to figure out that many ahadeeth narrations are to appease the later time Muslim clergy and has nothing to do with portraying authentic sunnah. 

You cannot separate the sunnah from the Quran. Because most parts, the sunnah explains the Quran. The number one job of the prophet was to explain the Quran and the Message of Allah to the people, therefore, we cannot completely understand the Quran and the intention of the words in the Quran unless we go back to how the prophet (s.w.t) explained to the companions.

Yes u r right.  We cannot separate the Sunnah from the Quraan because the Quraan itself contains the Sunnah.  It has to be remembered (and it is a matter of common sense) that in the Quraan when Allah tells believers to follow the example of the Prophet in person, this refers to the Prophet's (pbuh) contemporaries or those living in his (pbuh) lifetime.  In order to follow the example of the Prophet (pbuh) after his passing away, we need to follow the Quraan.  We are not to blindly accept whatever narrations the imams and sheikhs bring us of their choice by conveniently attributing to the Prophet to give those narrations a leverage in public eyes. 

Thus, if we follow the Quraan we can be sure that we are following the Prophet.  But following the hadeeth is no gaurantee that we are following the Quraan nor the Prophet.

Bye the way, the sunnah consists moslty of the sayings, the actions (practice), and actions the prophet approved.

Yes brother, I have a very good idea of what Hadeeth is.  I've racked my brains studying it and trying to make some sense out of it for months.  I only ended up perceiving its manipulative strategy much more clearly than I expected.

Therefore the answer to your question, how the Muslims prayed during the life time of the prophet? is that the prophet was among them and he was the one leading the prayer when with them and he taught how to pray like he was taught by angel Jibril. He said pray as you see me praying. So the prophet taught the companions and they continued praying the way they learned from the prophet and they taught their children (tabi'een)

I presume u r responding to the post "Hadeeth and Salaah."  I agree with u.  That's exactly what I mentioned.  The Propeht taught salaah to the believers and was thus passed on from generation to generation.  Therefore, the department of Hadeeth has no right to take credit for it which is always does. Hadeeth adherents make it seem that if there was no hadeeth, Muslims today wouldn't know how to offer salaah.  That's rubbish.  In fact, its quite the opposite.  It is the Hadeeth that's stolen the method of salaah from the practical demonstrations of Muslims and then written it down. 
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