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Nadia Noor
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« on: August 02, 2022, 12:02:12 am »
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SalamAlaimum. I have a widower father aged 80 plus who resides with us.  He has a strong iman and is very particular about all 5 prayers.  But with age he has become frail with deteriorated health and experiences a lot of exhaustion.  He needs 9 to 10 hours of sleep daily.  In summer time when Maghrib is after 9 p.m. and Isha after 10:15 p.m., after offering Maghrib he often feels too tired and drowsy and falls asleep, waking up after 6 a.m. the next morning.  He misses his Isha and Fajr, because in summer Fajr is around 4 a.m.  He offers both Isha and Fajr qada.  But he worries about missing his prayers on time and wants to know if this is a sin.
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2022, 12:49:37 pm »
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Walaikum As-Salam.  No, in this case it is not any violation, not from my perspective.  Deterioration of health and weakness causing exhaustion at an elderly age is a natural phenomenon.  There is nothing one can do to reverse it nor is it anyone's fault.   Allah Almighty has already made it clear in His Final Message that He has not placed any hardship in religion (ref. V.22:78).  Allah has also stated that He does not task any soul beyond its scope (ref. V.2:286).  Furthermore kindly read V.73:20 of Surah Al-Muzzamil which refers to salat al-leil or tahajjud prayer.  That was a time in Medinah when many  new Muslims were eager to follow the Prophet (pbuh) as he worshiped Allah Almighty.  In V.73:20 The Almighty tells the Prophet (pbuh) to recite as much of the Quran which is easy for him.  This implies to keep the prayer short so that those who are sick (either because of old age or any other reason) or those who have to go to work the next day or those who are engaged in jihad may not experience any hardships. The concept here is to keep everything practically simple so that people are not stressed. 

If your father feels too tired after Maghrib and goes to sleep, waking up next morning after Fajr, let him offer both prayers qada.  As long as sincerity and commitment towards Allah Almighty is within a person's heart and mind, Insh'Allah, Allah will accept their qada salat if it is for a valid reason as the one you described.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2022, 12:55:41 pm »
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JazekAllah khairan, sister.  Very nice reply.  My husband was of the view that offering Isha and Fajr qada every day is not right.  My father was also worried about this point.  I thought of taking the opinion of people here in Muslim Villa.  JZK again.
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2022, 01:00:50 pm »
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Well yes, it would not be right for young or younger people in good and normal health.  But when we're talking about those of advanced age with health issues, it's a different matter and needs to be assessed differently as supported by the Noble Quran.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2022, 01:02:13 pm »
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2022, 10:36:44 pm »
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Salam.  I wish to put a question in this thread.  Sometimes in a difficult life younger people also face a lot of exhaustion.  I am only 30 but my job is very hard, in a production factory where I have to stand and handle automatic equipment for 8 to 10 hours.  When I come home I feel so tired I can hardly hold my head straight. Do my wudu and shower, then eat dinner and offer Maghrib.  A lot of time I too can't keep awake another one hour for Isha so I go to sleep.  To be able to attend work the next day, I need 8 hours of sleep, not less, maybe little more sometimes.  Unfortunately I miss Fajr but do offer qaza after waking.  Usually I am in a hurry in the morning and don't get time to do both Isha and Fajr.  Many times Isha is left undone.  Any thoughts or ideas how to handle the situation so that I can at least offer both prayers even if it's qaza?   
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2022, 10:47:52 pm »
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Walaykum Salam.  I understand such situations commonly arise in the modern world particularly in the western world where the nature of work & rules are very tough.  In view of everything you mentioned, you are already offering Fajr qada after waking up, so I would suggest continue it that way.  Insh'Allah, as days get shorter, you would be able to catch on with the Fajr timings and offer it on time.  As for Isha, it's surely unfortunate that you don't get the time to offer it qada either.  I would suggest, you try to combine Maghrib and Isha.  Soon after you finish Maghrib, offer Isha.  If you are too tired, just offer the 4 fard rakahs of Isha at least.  Here too, Insh'Allah as the days get shorter, Isha timings will also keep getting earlier.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2022, 10:50:35 pm »
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Okay, so if I combine Maghrib and Isha, do I have to wait a little while between the two prayers like 10 or 15 minutes?

and if on certain days I am too, too tired, can I offer only the fard of both salats, i.e. 3 rakats Maghrib and 4 rakats Isha?
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Okay, so if I combine Maghrib and Isha, do I have to wait a little while between the two prayers like 10 or 15 minutes? 

No, you don't have to.  You can offer Isha as soon as you finish Maghrib.  What people usually do in such a situation is to offer Maghrib about 10 or 15 minutes after its starting time.  So by the time you finish Maghrib, it will be somewhat dark and then you offer Isha immediately.


and if on certain days I am too, too tired, can I offer only the fard of both salats, i.e. 3 rakats Maghrib and 4 rakats Isha? 

Yes, on such days offer only the fard rakahs of both salah.  But whenever you feel you can manage the additional nafl (or sunnah) and witr rakahs as well, please do offer them.   
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2022, 11:07:01 pm »
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Thank you very much for your help.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2022, 11:09:53 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2022, 05:18:08 pm »
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and what about Dohr and Asr salah? 
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I do my Dohr and Asr at work.  Dohr during the lunch break between 12.30 pm and 1.15 pm, and Asr before leaving work at the end of the day at 5.30 pm.  Fortunately there are quite a few Muslims at my workplace so we have a small room for prayers. 
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Salam.  I have a question for a similar situation.  Making up for missed salah at workplaces after returning home or offering qada salah.   

Our neighborhood shaykh is of the opinion this should not be done, that we must do our best to offer salah on time, that is to offer salah in our workplaces if by the time we return home might be too late.  We explained to him that in non-Muslim countries workplaces are not geared up for Muslim employees to take prayer breaks mainly because majority of non-Muslim employers are Islamophobes.  But the shaykh said according to charter of human rights and freedom in Canada for example, employers must give time for salah to Muslims employees.  If employer doesn’t comply you should go and complain to human rights committee to compel the employer.  Are things really that easy if you’re in a non-Muslim country and a non-Muslim workplace?
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Walaikum Salam.  Yes, right on, things aren’t that easy in non-Muslim countries and non-Muslim workplaces .. unfortunately.    While there might be plenty of rules on paper in favor of human rights and the rights of the minority, in reality  the practical application of these rules is quite another story. 

With Islamophobia at astonishingly high levels as we see at present, in most such cases, before the employee gets the time or opportunity to access a human rights organization,  the employer terminates their services for requiring prayer breaks, even if the employee promises to make up for the lost time at the end of the day.  Consequently the poor laid off employee is left with a choice to either look for a new job as fast as possible to feed their families or waste more time jobless explaining matters to human rights people.  Not to mention, many human rights individuals are no shining examples of compassion either particularly when it comes to helping Muslims to acquire their due rights on religious matters.  Furthermore, even if the human rights organization does help the employee by winning their rights, the employer will very likely decide not to hire that employee with false excuses over their quality of work or will lay them off after a while.  Human rights organizations cannot force Islamophobic employers to hire.  The final result in such a scenario usually shows that the employee ends up losing their job and the shaikhs who talk big before their audience are never of any assistance at such times.   

Thus, to avoid this dreadful, harassing and complicated situation from arising, many Muslims are left with no choice but to offer qaza salah after returning home.  If the heart is sincere with a strong commitment towards Allah Almighty, HE will know it.   In such a case one shouldn’t worry and offer their missed salah after returning home which is probably the best one can do under many such  circumstances.  Let the shaikhs says whatever  they like.  Since most of them don't work and are fortunate enough to live on freebies, one cannot expect them to understand this issue.
 
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