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Imam Hussainís destination at the time of Karbala


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« on: August 19, 2022, 03:18:47 am »
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Salam.  Like everyone at MV, I also donít like sectarianism at all.  I just wanted to put a question on Imam Hussain as circulated by few Sunni groups, and I would like to know your opinion to share with me.  The story on Imam Hussain sent around by some Sunni groups is that during the time of Karbala his destination was Persia (Iran) because he wanted to marry a Sassanid princess.  I know it sounds very untrue and fallacious.  It is actually untrue.  Just want to know your opinion. 

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2022, 03:22:19 am »
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Walaikum As-Salaam.  Insh'Allah, I will give you a full answer for this false story.  It's a bit late now and I got to offer my Isha.  Insh'Allah tomorrow I will post my response, if you don't mind waiting a bit. 
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2022, 03:24:28 am »
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ok thankx
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Walaikum Salaam again.  Thanks for your query and thanks for waiting.  We are aware of this erroneous rumor.  Some Sunni sources that are too focused on sectarianism started this slanderous myth a while ago (similar to a forged hadith) that Imam Husseinís intention was to travel to Persia to get married to some Sassanid princess.   Needless to say, completely false which can be logically proven based on several points.  This is a common trick by the Wahabi-Salafist circles who have also concocted many such defamatory tales against Husseinís elder brother, Imam Hassan.  Actually even most hardcore Sunni sources have acknowledged that this story is "unreliable" and "unconfirmed." When staunch Sunnis embedded in sectarianism have admitted it to be unreliable and unconfirmed, you can imagine the depth of falsehood this rumor is immersed in.

First off, there is no historical record of Imam Hussein marrying any non-Arab woman, and certainly NOT any non-Arab non-Muslim woman.  It is well documented in history that Imam Hussein had two wives, Laila and Rabab, both from the Arabian peninsula and both ladies accompanied him to Karbala where the battle was fought in 680 AD.

Secondly, if Imam Hussein's intention was simply to get married and bring a new wife from Persia, why on earth would he leave home with an entourage of his entire family, extended family and friends of 72 people?   Any plausible reason behind it?   None whatsoever.

Thirdly, please take a good look at the map below. 




The facts which are fully confirmed are that Imam Hussein with his family and friends started their journey from Makkah up north toward central Iraq.  Thatís how they got caught up in Karbala.  Though their precise destination is not clear, it is quite obvious.  The destination was either Karbala or Baghdad, but far more likely it was Damascus which is approximately 520 miles west of Karbala and Baghdad.   So, if according to the Salafist fib, Imam Hussein was heading towards Persia, why would he travel all the way up north from Makkah in the direction of Karbala and Baghdad (close to the hostile territories of Yazid bin Muawiyah with the likelihood of being intercepted), a distance of 920 plus miles and then turn east towards the Persian border another 200 plus miles when the easiest and shortest route to travel into Persia from Makkah would be straight to Basra (the Persian border at the doorstep of Basra) which would be less than 650 miles through much safer territories?   Again, no reasons given by the storytellers whatsoever.

Fourthly, the most important evidence comes from the chain of historical dates. 

The last non-Muslim rule in Persia was of the Sassanids (they were Zoroastrians like their predecessors) who ruled from 224 to 651 AD.

Islam came to Persia between 630 and 650 AD  during the time of Omar bin Khattab (632-661 AD).  By 650 AD Sassanid rule fell completely and Persia was annexed with the Caliphate of the Rashidoun.  Battle of Karbala was fought in October of 680 AD.  By that time Persia was fully under Islamic rule.    There were no Sassanid (or Zoroastrian) kings or princes or princesses in Persia any longer.  They had all become commoners and there is no track record in history what happened to them.  They simply disappeared into oblivion.  There is NO historical evidence nor information of the Sassanids, after their fall, socially intermixing with the Arabs within or outside Persia.  There is NO record nor the possibility of any well-known Muslim personality from outside Persia going there as late as 680 AD to marry a ďPersian princessĒ for the simple reason that there were no Ďprincessesí there in Persia any longer. 

This was approximately the period when the non-Muslim Zoroastrians in Persia, who did not want to live under Muslim rule, began migrating to India.   In India they called themselves "Parsi" after the southwest Persian province of Pars or Persis, presently known as the Fars province along the Persian Gulf.  During non-Muslim times this was a very important part of Persia and the Zoroastrians identified themselves with this region of Persia.  For that reason even today many Zoroastrians (or Parsis) are named "Persis."  It's commonly a Zoroastrian female name.   Therefore the Zoroastrian community is currently more commonly known as "Parsi" taken from Pars which was the old name of this southwest Iranian province of Fars. It is very likely that many Zoroastrians of the Sassanid ruling class were among those who departed to India as Parsis. 

I hope all of this provides sufficient answers to your question to perceive the truth and reject falsehood.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2022, 10:33:40 pm »
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Thank u very much for these logical points. 

Is city of Shiraz close to Fars prov.?   Was it the capital of the old Parsi rule in Persia?
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Yes, Shiraz is in Fars province.  But no, it was not a capital during the ancient Parsi rule.  The city of Shiraz was much later developed into a garden of learning during the Muslim rule from 12th century onward.  During the non-Muslim Sassanid era and earlier, Shriaz was virtually unknown, undeveloped and insignificant.  History cannot even confirm if the city was called "Shiraz" during those ancient times or known by some other name despite searching for it in ancient inscriptions on stone bricks in southern Iran.

Shiraz was never the capital of any of those Zoroastrian dynasties. 

The capital of Sassanids was Istakhr from 224 to 226 AD which is about 4 or 5 miles north of Persepolis.  Later they had their capital in an ancient town of Iraq called Ctesiphon which is about 20 miles south-east of modern Baghdad along the Tigris river until 637 AD.  Like I said, Islam began coming into Persia from 630 AD.  By 637 AD, Sassanids were almost completely dismantled. After 637 AD they had no capital.   I repeat, battle of Karbala was fought in 680 AD, that is 43 years after the Sassanids had fallen and their capitals in both Persia and Iraq were in ruins. 
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Wasn't Persepolis the old name of Shiraz?
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No.  Persepolis is now an archaeological park located at least 40 miles northwest of modern Shiraz in the Fars province of Iran.  Shiraz was never called Persopolis.   Sure about that.

Below is a map of this ancient region from Encyclopedia Britannica.   Shiraz and Persepolis are shown in this map.  The location of Istakhr (Persian capital during the Sassanid rule) would be a little north of Persepolis.   Therefore, both Persepolis and Istakhr are very far from Shiraz.  As I mentioned, Shiraz developed into a center of education and learning in the Islamic era.  It was unknown during the rule of the Zoroastrians.

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2022, 11:17:31 pm »
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I see it, thank u for your time.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2022, 11:20:51 pm »
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Thanks Sister Zainab.  This was a very interesting read with super clarifications unveiling the lack of logic and rational of tattle-tale gossips. 
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You are welcome brother TS and our guests.
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