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Sabir-Sami
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« on: October 31, 2022, 01:23:31 pm »
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Assalam Aleykum. 

What is the difference between Quran and Mushaf?

Do you have any articles on this topic here?  If so, kindly give me the particular.
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2022, 01:27:30 pm »
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Walaikum As-salam.   Briefly put, there is absolutely NO difference between the Quran and Mushaf, except that Quran is abstract referring to the direct Divine Revelations brought by Angel Gibreel to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).   Mushaf refers to the compilation of those Divine Revelations in the form of a Book for the preservation of the Divine Words and convenience of readers.  Thatís it.

Yes, we certainly do have a write-up on this topic with three excellent links to Brother Louay Fatoohiís detailed articles and lecture in Kaula Lampur on the same subject.  Kindly read our post Difference between Quran and Mushaf.   Please read all contents of this post and the three links carefully.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2022, 01:31:06 pm »
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Shukran.  I will InshAllah get busy reading this.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2022, 01:45:39 pm »
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Thanks from me as well, I was also looking for this topic.  So, are the words 'Quran' and 'Mushaf'  interchangeable?
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2022, 02:02:23 pm »
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Well, just as the direct Divine Revelations are referred to as the Quran, similarly the same written Divine Words in the form of a Book (known as Mushaf among traditionalists) can also be referred to as the Quran.   In fact, many more people use the term Quran (rather than Mushaf) for the written form of the Final Message which we read everyday.  Therefore the word Quran is certainly interchangeable.  But the word Mushaf is not interchangeable, in that, the direct Divine Revelations cannot be called Mushaf.  That can only be called the Quran which is the term Allah Almighty uses for His Final Message.   The word Quran means 'Lecture' in English.   The word Mushaf means 'collection of pages.'
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2022, 02:16:41 pm »
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Right ....

so is the word mushaf mentioned anywhere in the Quran refering to the future written copy of the revelations?
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2022, 02:19:51 pm »
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Does the word "mushaf" have anything to do with traditional hadith culture?
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2022, 02:46:07 pm »
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No, the word 'mushaf' is not mentioned anywhere in the Noble Quran.  The Almighty refers to His Final Message as 'Quran' (Lecture), and sometimes He also refers to it as 'Kitab' (Book) alluding to the future compilation of the Final Message.

Certainly the usage of the term 'mushaf' is linked to traditionalists of the Hadith institution to support the falsifications of Hadith not warranted by the Quran.  Hadith claims that few Verses of the Quranic Revelation were "abrogated" which are not included in the "mushaf" (or compilation).  This is a completely false claim.  The Noble Quran never says anything to even consider the claim of "abrogation" neither is there any other evidence to accept this ridiculous claim.    It is only a traditionalist story which has NO bearing on the written Quran present in the form of a Book.   As stated, it is convenient for the Hadithist "scholars" to differentiate between the words Quran and Mushaf in order to drive a wedge between the two, to uphold the inaccuracies of the Hadith literature that clash with the contents and principles of the Quran.   You will understand it better after you read the details in the links I have referred. 

The idea of "abrogation" and mushaf started with the Hadith falsehood about a "goat eating a Quran Verse written on a leaf" in regard to stoning for adultery (which Hadithists borrowed from the altered biblical law).  This myth claims that (like the altered bibles) the Quran had also mentioned stoning for adultery but that Verse was written and preserved on a leaf and was accidentally eaten up by a goat.  The absurdity of this myth makes one wonder if this was the rude sense of humor of the medieval so-called ulemas and their Hadith narrators.  Far from respecting Allah Almighty and His final messenger (pbuh), if these ulemas and narrators would only refrain was such gross falsification would be enough to expect.  But they aren't capable of that either.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2022, 02:53:38 pm »
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Thanks for this summary, will make the details easier to follow. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2022, 03:01:37 pm »
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If hadith guys are convinced that stoning for adultery verse was eaten by a goat, what has that got to do with "abrogation" anyways?  It should be categorized as a fluke mishap. 
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Yes, good point.  As you know, nothing goes in a logical and systematic manner within the Hadith institution.  Each lie gives rise to several more contradictions as is always the case when people speak falsely.  Probably the Hadith implies that it was the will of Allah to withdraw this Verse and so the goat ate it and thus the label of "abrogation."  But based on this fake story, their own falsification is rendered illogical .. something they overlooked.  If in their view the Verse was withdrawn by the will of Allah, then their own interpretation should be that Allah decided not to have that Verse as a law.  Yet they want to have it as a law through forged hadith narrations and by constructing a false story against the Noble Quran. 

AstaghfarAllah, I take refuge in Allah from the misguidance of many humans.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2022, 03:21:09 pm »
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Wisely explained.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2022, 03:26:48 pm »
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Good wrap up Sister Heba.  I request everyone to also read the complete post and the links it contains as provided in this thread.  This ""abrogation"" trick is one of the worst carried out by the traditionalists. 
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..  Probably the Hadith implies that it was the will of Allah to withdraw this Verse and so the goat ate it and thus the label of "abrogation."  But based on this fake story, their own falsification is rendered illogical .. something they overlooked.  If in their view the Verse was withdrawn by the will of Allah, then their own interpretation should be that Allah decided not to have that Verse as a law.  Yet they want to have it as a law through forged hadith narrations and by constructing a false story against the Noble Quran. 

AstaghfarAllah, I take refuge in Allah from the misguidance of many humans.



Exactly, there are some traditionalists who think as such.  Then again, there are others of similar categories who completely overlook Verses 85:21-22 where Allah Almighty confirms that the Noble Quran is in a 'guarded tablet' (Lawh Mahfuz).  This is the promise of Allah to permanently protect the Noble Quran.  Yet Hadithists have no qualms claiming a goat ate the leaf containing a Quranic Verse, as if Allah is not capable of protecting His Final Message.  This is not only an ignorantly false idea but also a very rude one.
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True Sister.  They completely dismiss the Truth about Lawh-e-Mahfuz.
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