Registration of new members is currently closed. Guestbook opened for now. Guests who have questions may post at our guestbook. No lengthy debates please. Kindly note: MV is a place for serious learning through mutual consultation where we have zero tolerance for trouble-makers, narcissists and needless disputants. We simply stand for what is compatible with the Noble Quran regardless of titles such as "traditionalism" or "modernism." We have the right to our opinion just as you have the right to yours. All disagreements must be left at that. Final Judgement belongs to The Almighty.
MUSLIM VILLA - QURAN ONLY
December 11, 2023, 06:42:44 pm
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
  Home Help Search Arcade Gallery Links Staff List Calendar Login Register  

Who was the first Prophet in Arabia, Prophet Ismail or Prophet Muhammad?

+-
Shoutbox
November 01, 2023, 03:44:32 pm Zainab_M: Allahhuma ameen .. ameen.
November 01, 2023, 03:43:43 pm Ruhi_Rose: Yes .. making lots of dua everyday ..... watching those real life video clips, my face feels wet with tears all the time.  May ALLAH grant the best to these wonderful, brave & steadfast martyrs,  Ameen ya Allah.
November 01, 2023, 03:38:26 pm Zainab_M: Keep praying, praying a lot for Gaza. It's worse than a prison .. it's a concentration camp.  Children as young as 10 or 11 are having to care for their younger siblings ages 2, 3 and 4 becoz many have lost both parents.  It's a very, very, very tearful situation there.
October 26, 2023, 03:40:19 pm N. Truth Seeker: Don't forget to look up MV Blog Zainab's Lounge for our Gaza updates.
October 20, 2023, 04:24:44 pm Zainab_M: Right sister Heba.  Gaza hospital bombing has the fingerprints of Israel all over it.  For Israel this is no big crime.  They have done this and much worse many times in the past and intend to do the same and worse many more times in near future.
October 20, 2023, 04:20:20 pm Heba E. Husseyn: Catching Zionist lies isn't hard. Soon after Gaza hospital bombing killing and maiming hundreds, Israel was quick to accuse Islamic Jihad of a misfired rocket.  That didn't sound plausible because IJ does not have such sophisticated bombing devices.  Zionist lie was fully exposed when anglican archbishop of Jerusalem,Hosam Naoum,  said today that 3 or 4 days prior to boming Israel had warned Gaza hospital to evacuate. Yet CIA claims in its flawed analysis that the rocket did not come from Israel.  But conveniently does not explain how Israel could have known 4 days earlier that a "misfired" rocket from IJ was coming.  Yet on the basis of this flawed & bias analysis of CIA, Biden is comforting Israel he believes Israel didn't do that war crimes bombing.
July 29, 2023, 03:02:07 am Zainab_M: Yesterday was Ashura, Muharram 10, 1444 (July 27, 2023).  Read about this very tragic day and details of the world's greatest 7th century revolutionary: WHO WAS HUSSEIN.
June 28, 2023, 09:48:39 am Zainab_M: Walaikum As Salaam.  This was the first Hajj open to all after the pandemic. It was attended by 2.6 million Muslims.
View Shout History
Pages: 1 [2]   Go Down
  Send this topic  |  Print  
Author Topic: Who was the first Prophet in Arabia, Prophet Ismail or Prophet Muhammad?  (Read 432 times)
Ruhi_Rose
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA The Avid Reader | Mom of 3 cute rascals
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 6044



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2023, 02:23:54 am »



Really?
Report Spam   Logged

N. Truth Seeker
Quiet guy technology nerd | TEAM MUSLIM VILLA
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4236



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2023, 02:46:52 am »



That is very likely.  A thorough research is needed and we should post the info to catch the hadithists on their collaboration with man-written biblers, as usual.  InshAllah we will catch them soon.
Report Spam   Logged

Zainab_M
TEAM MV Founder
Admin
Hero Member
*
Posts: 6291



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2023, 03:26:27 am »



No mention of Zamzam in the Noble Quran. Concept of Zamzam comes from altered Bibles. 

According to altered, man-written bibles, Hajar and son Ismail went to Beersheba which is in central Palestine now occupied by Zionist Jews in the name of Israel.  But in truth, Hajar and Ismail came to Makkah in Arabia, not Beersheba.  This is confirmed in the Noble Quran.

The altered bibles’ content that falsely claims they were in Beersheeba is the version named Genesis 21:14-19 which was quoted by a user in Reddit as follows:

Quote:

Genesis 21:14-19
Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent her off with the boy. She went on her way and wandered in the Desert of Beersheba.

When the water in the skin was gone, she put the boy under one of the bushes.

Then she went off and sat down about a bowshot away, for she thought, "I cannot watch the boy die." And as she sat there, she began to sob.

God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there.

Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation."

Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.

Unquote:


You can also watch similar information at Youtube.




It is confirmed that the abstraction of Zamzam among traditional Muslims comes from hadith rummaging through the tales of the altered bibles. 

Islam Q&A quotes the hadith in the name of tradition, the concept of which has been picked completely from the altered, man-written bibles as follows.  The only difference between altered bible and hadith is that bible mentions the location as Beersheba while hadith mentions Makkah. 

Quote:

Ibn ‘Abbaas said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "This is the source of the tradition of the walking between them (i.e. al-Safa and al-Marwa). When she reached al-Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, “O (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?" And she saw an angel at the place of Zamzam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water started flowing out after she had scooped some of it."

Unquote:


To be precise, the idea of Zamzam among Muslims comes from a very lengthy Bukhari hadith #3364.  Only the last 2 lines of this hadith mentions Quranic information of Prophets Ibrahim and his son, Ismail, building the Kaa’ba.   The entire rest of this hadith consists of notions and conceptions from altered bibles mixed with concoctions by narrator and compiler.  You can read this long hadith in the website called Sunnah.com
Report Spam   Logged

Ruhi_Rose
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA The Avid Reader | Mom of 3 cute rascals
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 6044



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2023, 03:33:19 am »



😲

And even the style of speaking in hadith and altered bibles is very similar .. these two forgery lovers.


Good job Sister Zainab.  Much needed exposure.  Insh'Allah, gonna send this around.
Report Spam   Logged

Heba E. Husseyn
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA Villa Artisan
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4922



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2023, 04:50:20 pm »



Big thanks for this work dear Sis Zainab. 

I knew these hadithists were again up to some hanky-panky in cahoots with the biblers.

And @ Islam.org

"The Messenger of Allah (blessings of Allah be upon him and his family) has said, “The water of Zamzam is a cure for whatever (ailment) it is taken for.”  Biharul Anwar, Volume 96, Page 245."

Completely false & forged!  Similar to black cumin as a cure for all illnesses.
Report Spam   Logged

N. Truth Seeker
Quiet guy technology nerd | TEAM MUSLIM VILLA
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4236



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2023, 05:34:56 pm »



Very interesting findings Sister.  People need to know the truth. 

Excluding that very lengthy Bukhari hadith, there are many others as well talking nonsense about so-called health benefits of Zamzam water.   This too is a superstition, and superstition is one of those things the Noble Quran does NOT support.

InshAllah will send that Zamzam video around.
Report Spam   Logged

Heba E. Husseyn
TEAM MUSLIM VILLA Villa Artisan
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4922



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2023, 06:41:32 pm »



The hadithists are so dumb that when they see hadith contents like these in the altered bibles as well, they take it as a matter of pride, assuming that it adds to the authenticity of hadith.  They are unable to perceive that it is the opposite.  Since they forget (or wish to forget) that the old and new testaments are no more original and completely man-written after being totally altered with scores of versions, nothing in the bibles can be taken as authentic or reliable.  Additionally they are also on denial of the fact that the hadith institution has a history of copying a variety of nonsense from the altered bibles by forging the name of the Prophet (pbuh), and in several cases also forging the names of certain narrators.  So if you find something in the hadith which is also in some version of the bible, it does not add to the authenticity of the hadith, rather it only exposes and re-confirms the act of one forger copying from another forger.

It's also relevant to clarify to all readers that our discussion of this issue of Zamzam water not mentioned in the Noble  Quran is NOT about rejecting miracles.  Anyone who presumes that has grossly misunderstood MV's stance.  We have upheld time and again and will always do, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALLAH.   HE only needs to say "Kun Faya Kun" and His Command is carried out is less than a second.  This aspect is categorically confirmed in the Noble Quran. 

Our point for emphasizing that the story of Zamzam water is a concoction and very obviously burrowed by the hadith from the altered bibles is to highlight that sadly many of our Muslim brothers and sisters embrace contents that have nothing to do with the Quran, contents that have been either been devised or fabricated, or taken from gossipy stories outside the Quran. 

I reiterate yet again, if something is not mentioned in the Noble Quran, please for the sake of The Almighty do NOT weave your own stories nor copy the contents of the altered bibles by falsely attributing them to the Prophet (pbuh).  This is a big and intentional blunder in the Sight of ALLAH and each one responsible will be answerable on the Day of Judgement.
Report Spam   Logged

Zainab_M
TEAM MV Founder
Admin
Hero Member
*
Posts: 6291



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2023, 06:53:29 pm »



Plenty of thanks for this input sister Heba.  It's a high priority clarification.  The unacceptability of Zamzam water is not about repudiating miracles.   It is about repudiating fabrications and unwarranted contents not contained in the Noble Quran.
Report Spam   Logged

N. Truth Seeker
Quiet guy technology nerd | TEAM MUSLIM VILLA
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4236



WWW
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2023, 06:59:45 pm »



Exactly.  We fully accept and support Quranic miracles, Alhumdulilah.  We are not like the Free Minds guys.  What we fully reject are the unwarranted non-Quranic contents masquerading as spiritual reality.
Report Spam   Logged


Pages: 1 [2]   Go Up
  Send this topic  |  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by EzPortal
Scammers & spammers will be reported | If you borrow MV contents you must mention our link with hypertext | MV Team is not responsible for comments by members or guests.
Bookmark this site! | Upgrade This Forum
SMF For Free - Create your own Forum


Powered by SMF | SMF © 2016, Simple Machines
Privacy Policy